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so even calling him Harold dolls boss is

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incorrect this is the ship registration

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of the North Queen I don't know if you

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can see it or not but the name listed

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here for the North queen is doll so here

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you have to wonder why doll felt

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compelled to explain the damage to his

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own boat to fredchristman or is it

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Harold dolls boat the registration

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actually says Hal d'Or doll on Union

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Avenue you might expect this information

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to be conducted on official records like

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this either at the time or fudged later

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in order to obscure things you might

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just dismiss this as a typo or a mistake

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just as in the comic book but that's

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what I did but since that time a

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researcher has pointed out that Hal Dora

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doll and Harold doll may actually be

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different people because there there was

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a herald doll that lived on North Grove

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and Hal d'Or doll lived on a completely

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different Street North Union so the

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North Queen by the way it was a 1942

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fishing boat that was converted into a

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minesweeper for World War 2 and then

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recovered into a then reconverted into a

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fishing vessel after the war some

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reports call it a decrepit old piece of

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junk but it was actually not very old a

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ship that that saw military service and

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one that had just been reconditioned

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also a year after the Morey Island

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incident 1948 the registration passed to

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someone named Anderson and Tacoma and

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suddenly begin to submerge into this

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murky paper trail which is something

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that would characterize Chrisman's

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entire life fudged in inaccurate

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documents some of questionable Pro

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Bono's

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some containing very intriguing pieces

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of information and disinformation

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but his involvement with the Mori Island

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a saucer story really begins two days

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after dolls as doll had expected

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according to the story Chrisman thought

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that he and his crew were who had been

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drunk and when they saw this saucer

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stuff but since doll I had samples of

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the slag as proof and said that there

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was much more of the stuff along the

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shore Chrisman decided to go and take a

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look he later said that he did indeed

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see an enormous amount of white and

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black material there Laurie Island but

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as he was looking it over he had his own

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sighting it was a doughnut-shaped craft

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like the one doll described but

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different in that it had no squash book

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it was convex not concave it did have an

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inner tube time structure though and the

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and the portals and it had this spinning

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little black thing on the inside bottom

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and this was a very brief encounter

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according to Chrisman but scary enough

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he said before he took off running he

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supposedly collected more samples of

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so where did fredchristman come from his

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earliest appearance in the historic

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record is from two years before the moor

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Island case it comes in the form of an

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extensive quote in Harper's Magazine in

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September 1946 in an article about the

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first post-war world convention of

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science fiction fans the preceding March

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in New York interestingly the article

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entitled little Superman what now was

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written by William s baring-gould whose

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grandfather Sabine Baron ruled was the

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English clergyman who wrote onward

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Christian soldiers

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he also wrote two books on when I'm

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ghost and one on werewolves okay that

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led to an angry response from Chrisman

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that originally appeared in the May 1947

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issue of a science fiction pulp magazine

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called amazing stories this was one

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month before Maury island in it Chrisman

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complained that the article in Harper's

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the science fiction fans amounted to

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nothing more than a bunch of armchair

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philosophizing about science fiction

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concepts that he considered to be a very

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real phenomenon and this had nothing to

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do with flying saucers flying saucers

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and the UFO craze in America were still

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a month in the future the imagery of

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advanced aircraft had been around for a

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long time of Flash Gordon serials of the

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30s for instance had various rocket type

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ships and science fiction itself was a

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very long interesting history in print

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on radio and in various movies and UFOs

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of all shapes and stripes have been

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around since the dawn of man but the

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imagery of the flying saucers as a

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recurring popular culture motif began

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first modern wave of sightings and with

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the help of pulp magazines like this one

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fate actually is there copies they're

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giving away copies of fade still exist

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outside this is the first issue of fate

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however published in 1948 by the same

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person who published at Crispin's angry

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response in Harper's Magazine anybody

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know who that person was

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anybody Ray Palmer well science fiction

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fans would argue that Ray Palmer's place

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in their history is not one of great

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respect even one of his associate

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editors told a pulp magazine historian

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that Palmer published quote some of the

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sickest crap I've ever run into

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Palmer was was a man of diminutive

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stature who helped popularize and

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promote the idea of flying saucers in as

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many pulp magazines amazing stories the

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magazine that that more or less

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introduced fredchristman to the world

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in the 1940 in the 1990s Steven

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of amazing stories using the title and

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the

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kind of poke magazine Foreman Paul Mars

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a publishing career continued until his

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death in the late 1970s and among the

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last things he ever did was a magazine

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for the National Space Institute a group

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of space industry insiders founded by

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the paperclip Nazi scientists friend of

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von Braun and the significance of that

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how did I get this right no I never did

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fix this one damn okay this is a shot of

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Palmer it shows what a small guy Palmer

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was especially it next to this guy was a

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regular giant and that's what's wrong

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with this slide is that there's a he's

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standing in the full slide he's standing

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next to Richard shaver who was a who was

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a real giant of a man and shaver

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before 1948 Palmer was able to more than

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double the circulation of his various

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magazines by introducing the supposedly

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true stories of Richard shaver I really

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wish we had a from the photo of shaver

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here about a mysterious race of beings

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known as the day rose the day Rose were

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an underground alien race that looked

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very much like the little greys that

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seemed to be so common these days among

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people who claim to have been abducted

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if there was some sort of connection

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there it it does kind of expose the myth

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that such creatures are the creation of

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the modern media because you get these

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little grey creatures called the

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Darrow's coming out as early as 1948

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darros were real despite the fact that

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the original information about them was

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channeled to Richard shaver through the

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welding equipment where he worked in a

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steel mill in Bartow Pennsylvania in

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addition to being alien creatures that

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inhabited caverns deep under the earth

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part are darros because they are being

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affected by detrimental energy streams

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in the post atomic world

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the words detrimental and robot and

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really a lot of what the shape of

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mystery stories reflected was kind of

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post-war alienation and the fear of

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being in a in a deadly technological

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situation after the bomb fear of

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radiation fear mutation and so forth

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the interest in these stories was so

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great that it not only greatly increased

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the circulation of Ray Palmer's

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magazines but it led many of its readers

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to write up right in with their own

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stories about their encounters with the

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Darrow's and I should mention to the

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Tyler today early this morning was

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talking about the greys and there is

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this perception that the greys in fact

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are robots are part robots so even that

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part of the the lore continues on

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fredchristman was one such reader though

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of amazing stories after that long quote

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that that appeared about you know from

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Harper's Magazine kruseman's second

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appearance in on the scene came in the

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form of that letter two amazing stories

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and in a kruseman claimed to have

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encountered the de ros in Burma he even

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described a a wound to his arm that was

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the size of a pin hole the description

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that sounded very early like like lucky

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was shot by a laser and this was years

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before the laser was even invented okay

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now forget all of that he just said

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that's what Ray Palmer did let's go back

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to the main story of Maury island Harold

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Dahl and company have had their

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encounter and kruseman went down the

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next day and said those they had his now

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we can assume that Chrisman put this in

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a letter to palmer as he had his

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encounters with the Darrow's although

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that's not really clear

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a letter to that effect what is clear is

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that Ray Palmer hired this man and we

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all know who this is right oh come on

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guys

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Kenneth Arnold this is Kenneth Arnold

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yes no no no no he didn't fit the term

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at all what is clear is that Ray Palmer

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hired this man to investigate the Moriya

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and claims those his sightings as

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Kenneth Arnold sightings happened three

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days after Maury island started with

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which started the first post-world War

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wave of view of both sightings Palmer

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read about Arnold's sighting in the

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newspaper and wrote to him asking for

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details and Arnold sent back to him a

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copy of the report that he made about it

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to the Air Force okay well so I guess I

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better do the basics of Kenneth Arnold

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story they he saw nine Chevron shaped

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craft while flying around Mount Ranier

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in Washington on June 24 1947 I'm sure

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you all you should all know the story

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shame on you that you don't and I will

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try not to go into too many of the

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details as your memories return to you

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after this initial contact with Arnold

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Ray Palmer wrote back and offered him

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$200 to investigate the Mauri Island

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incident and Arnold took on the

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assignment in the course of this however

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Palmer never once mentioned to him

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anything about his past encounters with

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Chrisman okay good the picture as I said

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he forgot about it he totally forgotten

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how he's you know a quote forgot about

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it and in this story this was the first

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instance in which kruseman's presence on

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the scene was telegraphed in advance but

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he was never told that he was a

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principal player so in other words

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Palmer is hiring Arnold to investigate

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Chrisman but he's not telling Arnold

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that he knows who Chrisman is because

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Chrisman had written his stories about

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the day Roz you know - Arnold Chrisman

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is a complete stranger to Palmer and

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okay this is this is actually a postcard

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that I bought at the tourist Museum near

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the top of Mount Ranier which is is

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actually part of the Cascade Mountains

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Mountaineer it's pretty spectacular

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picture I think and it shows what it's

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showing here is lenticular cloud

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formations that often happen up there

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around the mountain actually many UFO

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skeptics make the case that a lot of UFO

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sightings are actually sightings of

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these these things these lenticular

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clouds and I'm not sure if that's what

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official tourism is trying to say here

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I put Mount Ranier but this doesn't look

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anything like what Kenneth I saw and it

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certainly doesn't come close to anything

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matching a either Arnold's description

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or the Mauryan description okay so as I

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mentioned before the pilot Thomas

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Mantell is one the one most often

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referred to as the first UFO casualty in

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the post-war wave and I suggested that

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the Moriya dog might actually have him

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had that distinction before Mantell

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there are actually 32 other

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possibilities these are the 32 Marines

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that crashed into this site at Mount

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Ranier Arnold was was actually

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investigating a crash of a c-47

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transport plane from the previous

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December because it was a big mystery

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that had happened and what had happened

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to it and the Aki and its occupants 32

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Marines Arnold was a bounty hunter and

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when he was looking for the five

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thousand dollar reward that had been

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posted to find the remains when he went

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and that's when he had his own sighting

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so he's he's out there looking for these

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32 Marines who crashed that's one now he

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the Chevron's the official cause of this

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crash became simply that it appeared off

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course but if you take the position as I

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do that official conclusions most often

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contains elements of spin control and

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cover-up it's not too much of a leap to

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suggest that these 32 people died as a

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result of an encounter with a saucer

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maybe even damaging one that required

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the kind of repair maneuver that we saw

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at Maury island in any event only small

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pieces of the wreckage and the tented

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remains of one a Marine uniform were

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ever recovered gymnast Arnold's sighting

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which involved nine UFOs eight of them

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semicircular and one of them

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crescent-shaped began this enormous wave

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of UFO sightings that happened in the

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late 1940s in the East Oregonian

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newspaper alone which is the newspaper

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of record in that part of the world

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seventeen UFO sightings were reported in

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the month following Kenneth Arnold's and

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nationally there were many many cases

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more often than not these saucers fit

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more the description of the Maury Island

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saucers than Kenneth irons chevrons and

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of course there were more than just

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sightings there were a number of

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recoveries of different things and

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here's a sketch of one of them this

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thirty inch saucer discovered by a

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housewife that month and turned over to

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the FBI the newspaper described it as a

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gold-plated once on one side silver on

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the other the same colors basically as

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the more Island craft although was later

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declared that this was built by some

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young pranksters using parts of an old

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photograph that only came after a very

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strange actions by the authorities army

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intelligence officers were called in and

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the thing was locked in the back room

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and and all were instructed not to say a

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word about it and it's kind of hard to

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imagine that this was a response to

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something that looked obviously like it

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was pieced together from a record player

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oddly enough the size and shape of this

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thirty inch saucer match to a second and

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okay this is the man to whom this two

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and a half foot disk was turned over if

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he looks a little like Ed Asner to you

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pat yourself on the back because Asner

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actually played this man in Oliver

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Stone's movie about JFK this is guy

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Bannister

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he was si si that is special agent in

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charge of the FBI in the Pacific

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Northwest in the late 1940s specifically

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Idaho and Montana at the time of the

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moyu Island case in Washington Oliver

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Stone's interest in him begins about

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in the 1950s Bannister testified before

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the Louisiana joint legislative

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committee that at the time of the Maury

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Island events he was actually working in

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counter espionage that's from banisters

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own testimony so this is a newspaper

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description of whatever it was that

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banner Bannister was given during that

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same testimony to the louisiana state

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body Bannister described the saucer as a

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Japanese fugle balloon the chief value

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of this statement is that it exposes the

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lie about the four boys rearranging

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parts of a record player I'm sure

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everyone is familiar with the fugle

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balloon theory actually I'm not so sure

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anymore it has been offered up as one of

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the many explanations and for what

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happened at Roswell and in that case as

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in this case it has been almost totally

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debunked since the few go balloons were

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launched from Japan in March of 1945 and

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the possibility of them remaining aloft

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for such a long period of time is remote

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the Louisiana testimony included banners

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announcement that he also was a

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coordinate for a right-wing militia

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group called the Minutemen

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which is the only right-wing group that

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the warrant

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investigated but all that is getting

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ahead of the story as I said Palmer

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hired Kenneth Arnold to investigate the

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claims of charisma and doll for $200

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Arnold went out to what was become the

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infamous Lonard Western Winthrop hotel

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room 503 the first thing to make it

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infamous was the fact that the room had

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already been reserved for Arnold by

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persons unknown and this is a shot of

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the Winthrop that I took relatively

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recently it still exists but now it's

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it's been converted to rent control

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housing it is here after acquiring the

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room from person or persons unknown that

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Arnold first called Harold Dahl by

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looking him up in the phone book a very

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reluctant Dahl kept trying to talk

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Marnell out of his investigation but

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eventually agreed to come over and also

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agree to take Arnold to the storage site

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of the debris he had recovered from

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warring Island when he brought a chunk

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of it out Arnold declared that it was

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just a piece of lava rock and actually

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fredchristman showed up at the Winthrop

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the next day and went over the Maury

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Island story again with Arnold he also

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told him of his flight experience and

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his missions over Burma during the war

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although he mentioned nothing about the

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day rose after Chrisman had his stay

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Arnold suggested that they all go down a

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mooring island then Arnold had another

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brilliant idea bring in amyl smith amyl

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smith was an airline captain who had

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published it would publicly won't let

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him back in the winter who had publicly

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derided Kenneth Arnold about the

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Mountaineer experiences but then had a

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UFO encounter of his own Arnold had met

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him through a military intelligence

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officer named Paul Weiland who who among

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other things had been

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the Nuremberg trials who had previously

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paid Arnold actually to go on a fishing

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trip with him and the relationship of

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these two bins and Paul Weiland and

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Kenneth Arnold remains very unclear but

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we do know that at one point Weiland

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gave Arnold a 30 - automatic that Arnold

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had on him at the Winthrop so that kind

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of gives you the sense of the kind of

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paranoiac atmosphere going on here

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when Anil Smith arrived at the Winthrop

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and meant kruseman and Dahle they

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recounted morning Island again and

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agreed to meet at the island the next

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day with more samples of the UFO slag

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and kruseman volunteered to drive Smith

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on a long trip to Seattle and back to

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recover his things so there's this

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mysterious trip of Chrisman and Smith

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together before Arnold went to sleep

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that night before on a little Smith both

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went to statement night they received a

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call from a reporter named Ted Morello

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and instead of asking for information as

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you might expect a reporter would do

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more Morello actually repeated back to

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them the precise details of the

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conversations they had had with Chrisman

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and Dahl so the room had been bugged all

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four men made it out to Maury island the

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next day Chrisman and Dahl both brought

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more samples of the slag they had to

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come back to the Winthrop though because

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the drydock had been closed and there

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was no access

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so Arnold filmed all of this and in 1977

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he mentioned that all of his film

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equipment had been stolen in a break-in

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but the fate of all all the film that he

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took in that day is still kind of

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unclear after that Arnold decided to

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call in the airforce Chrisman was all

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excited about the idea Dahl refused to

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talk to

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for military intelligence so they

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actually the pictures all tall didn't

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want to say anything to anybody and

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there were reasons for that but they

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kept pulling the story out of them and

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but then he resisted again when when

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Arnold suggested that they take it to

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the air force nevertheless through his

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connection with this Paul Weiland

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character to Air Force investigators

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Captain William Lee Davidson and first

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lieutenant Mercer Brown came to the

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Winthrop hotel so here we are back to

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the comic book and everything that it

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has wrong

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says here that Arnold coined the term

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flying saucers I heard somebody is

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trying to repeat that bit but that that

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distinction actually belongs to a

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newspaper reporter named Bill again and

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of course this identifies them as Harbor

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nevertheless it is in this weird

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atmosphere of intrigue at the Winthrop

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and blurred details some film and some

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pieces of the more Island slag came into

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the hands of military investigators so

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matter how we doing on time along the

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way spoken too long okay well I mean

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that's a good cue because I really would

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like to take a break at this point this

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is this is all lead up to the second

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part so let me just leave the story at

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this point

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take a little bit of a break and then

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we'll resume the story again from the

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point of the Davison and Brown

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investigation then that's 20 minutes

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okay now Tim I'm gonna have to walk over

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there by the TV monitor before too long

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can you hear me can I stand this far

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away from the microphone and still be

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heard how about that

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can you hear me now okay this is

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lieutenant Frank Brown he was he was one

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of two men the Air Force sent out at the

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behest of Kenneth Arnold to investigate

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the Maury island claims of kruseman and

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when I didn't have to point

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the intensity of this light yeah thank

546
00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:42,320
you'll see looking good how about

547
00:25:48,229 --> 00:25:46,139
everybody else yeah okay okay where

548
00:25:54,349 --> 00:25:48,239
what's a lieutenant wait a minute that's

549
00:25:58,609 --> 00:25:54,359
not even there

550
00:26:01,849 --> 00:25:58,619
lieutenant Frank Brown again one of two

551
00:26:03,879 --> 00:26:01,859
men that the Air Force sent out at the

552
00:26:06,259 --> 00:26:03,889
request of Kenneth Arnold to investigate

553
00:26:09,889 --> 00:26:06,269
kruseman and dolls claims about what

554
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:09,899
happened at Maury island this is a photo

555
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:13,320
of brown that comes from a recovered ID

556
00:26:22,879 --> 00:26:15,419
and in a minute I'll tell you what it

557
00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:22,889
was recovered from there's the ID here's

558
00:26:28,099 --> 00:26:24,389
another shot of brown while he was in it

559
00:26:30,259 --> 00:26:28,109
in Italy unfortunately that that and the

560
00:26:32,539 --> 00:26:30,269
previous one is all that really exists

561
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,549
the photo documentation of brown which

562
00:26:36,229 --> 00:26:34,320
is like two photographs more than

563
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:36,239
photograph documentation we have of

564
00:26:42,919 --> 00:26:38,849
Davidson and no photographs of him that

565
00:26:44,509 --> 00:26:42,929
I could find anyway so Kenneth are no

566
00:26:46,879 --> 00:26:44,519
calls in these two Air Force

567
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:46,889
investigators Braun and Davidson of the

568
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,039
4th Air Force a2 Intelligence Unit to be

569
00:26:54,109 --> 00:26:52,559
precise he knew them because they had

570
00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:54,119
previously investigated Arnold himself

571
00:26:58,399 --> 00:26:56,059
after the Mount Ranier sighting and

572
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,409
Arnold had cooperated with that

573
00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:00,659
investigation and had turned over the

574
00:27:04,129 --> 00:27:01,950
many letters that he had received from

575
00:27:06,259 --> 00:27:04,139
people after his sighting had hit the

576
00:27:08,779 --> 00:27:06,269
newspapers they expressed that

577
00:27:10,999 --> 00:27:08,789
particularly in a particular interest in

578
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:11,009
the letter that he had received from Ray

579
00:27:16,729 --> 00:27:14,580
Palmer so he thought that there would be

580
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:16,739
the logical people to to call to look

581
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:24,110
doll who again was extremely reluctant

582
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:26,010
to talk about this more Island

583
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:28,890
experience at all let alone to military

584
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:31,110
intelligence nevertheless repeated the

585
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:33,810
story one more time Chrisman offered

586
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:35,850
details about the white debris looking

587
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:38,460
like aluminum that make it sound a lot

588
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:40,020
like the material that was recovered

589
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:45,390
from Roswell and despite the fact that

590
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:47,190
Arnold apparently took the initiative to

591
00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:50,760
contact Davidson and Braun in point of

592
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:53,040
fact the two were on assignment to

593
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:55,040
collect as much information as possible

594
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:58,890
during that summer wave of UFOs they had

595
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:01,380
been dispatched by a guy named General

596
00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:04,530
Carl patooie Spaatz patooie was his

597
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:07,800
nickname a commander who had served in

598
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:10,560
Italy during the war as part of project

599
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:13,050
ultra a decryption project in Italy very

600
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:15,900
similar to the magic decryption project

601
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,540
into paint and Japan and I think it's

602
00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:19,740
that's very interesting that these two

603
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:22,800
secret decoding projects have names that

604
00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:25,740
are so similar to MKULTRA and majestic

605
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:29,160
you know ultra and magic both and if you

606
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:32,820
don't know MKULTRA or the Majestic these

607
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,830
let's see spats provided Davidson a

608
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,940
brown with a b25 to hop around and

609
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,120
collect all this information

610
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:49,440
particularly on cases that involved

611
00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:54,330
recoveries of material and so that

612
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:55,830
explains a particular interest in the

613
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,010
Ray Palmer letter they were reported to

614
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,720
report to Air Force technical

615
00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:02,760
intelligence command at Wright Field in

616
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:06,420
Patterson according to an FBI memo from

617
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,480
August of 47 spats Braun and Davidson in

618
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:11,760
turn then reported to general Nathan

619
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,910
twining at wright-patt now the

620
00:29:18,650 --> 00:29:16,860
significance of this command structure

621
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:18,660
comes in the form of something called

622
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:31,009
the color 20 memo is an mj-12 document

623
00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:32,970
that still resides at the National

624
00:29:38,299 --> 00:29:35,549
Archives I have actually held this thing

625
00:29:41,779 --> 00:29:38,309
in my hand of all the mj-12 documents I

626
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:41,789
believe that the CT memo in combination

627
00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:44,460
with another one just recently found in

628
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:47,429
a completely different archives whose

629
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:49,559
dates match up perfectly to the cutlet

630
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:52,799
twining comprises basically the smoking

631
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:54,809
gun proof of the existence of mj-12 I

632
00:29:59,509 --> 00:29:57,179
know that's all very complicated and it

633
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:59,519
is the would be the subject of another

634
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:02,220
lecture I'm just telling you that in the

635
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,929
National Archives there is smoking gun

636
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:05,700
proof that this group mj-12 would you

637
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,369
hear about all the time actually exists

638
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:10,860
and and you can prove it's authentic

639
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:12,539
authentic by comparing it to another

640
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:16,110
document this story that I'm telling you

641
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:17,700
now though it's complicated enough and

642
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,809
if you want to find out more about the

643
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:20,159
color training memo and something called

644
00:30:24,499 --> 00:30:23,100
the Lou Douglas memo this article is in

645
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,509
the latest issue of steam shovel press

646
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:26,700
and I think I said few copies of that

647
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:32,220
that's out there okay let's go back to

648
00:30:38,239 --> 00:30:35,610
to Harold Dahl it was not for it was not

649
00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:38,249
for no reason that all kvetch to telling

650
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:41,070
his story again to anyone after he first

651
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:42,899
began talking to people about it Dahl

652
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,519
had an experience that later became

653
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,279
repeated often with many UFO witnesses

654
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,039
and became quite well known anybody know

655
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:53,159
what that experience might be he was

656
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,070
visited by a by a met a black yes I'm in

657
00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:59,279
a black this guy dressed in black and he

658
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:01,799
had a black Buick I know if it's

659
00:31:08,539 --> 00:31:05,820
dashboard shine but when he met up with

660
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:08,549
all he also demonstrated that he had a

661
00:31:13,249 --> 00:31:10,679
very detailed knowledge of dolls Maury

662
00:31:14,899 --> 00:31:13,259
Island experience and he told doll that

663
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:14,909
if he ever left the Maury Islands story

664
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:16,950
out bad things would start happening to

665
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,210
him to him and his family

666
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:20,700
and sure enough shortly thereafter doll

667
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:22,710
lost a large number of logs he had

668
00:31:28,129 --> 00:31:25,679
salvaged from the bay severely damaging

669
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:28,139
his business his wife fell deathly ill

670
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:31,110
and his son Charles who the guy who had

671
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,330
had his arm injured at Maury island

672
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,940
disappeared

673
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:38,100
Charles was eventually found busing

674
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:40,620
tables somewhere with total amnesia

675
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,039
about how he got there and the where is

676
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:46,799
obscured by FBI memos with conflicting

677
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,289
reports about whether he was found in a

678
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:51,720
place called lust Montana or a place

679
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:53,010
called Lusk Wyoming

680
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,289
so all that kind of fits the the men in

681
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:57,299
black the weird men in black weirdness

682
00:32:02,000 --> 00:31:58,440
that happens when the men in black come

683
00:32:05,779 --> 00:32:02,010
along all of this happened before the

684
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:05,789
meetings at Winthrop hotel so here again

685
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,809
the comic book misleads us there were

686
00:32:14,419 --> 00:32:12,240
some other old odd anomalies about the

687
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,429
phone calls to the hotel when Arnold

688
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:16,080
first called Braun for instance Braun

689
00:32:19,940 --> 00:32:18,179
refused to accept the call on the

690
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:19,950
military line and he called Arnold back

691
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:22,950
on a pay phone moments later the UPI guy

692
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:24,870
said Morello called again demonstrating

693
00:32:29,299 --> 00:32:26,340
that he knew all about the military

694
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:29,309
investigators coming in and then at some

695
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:31,740
point Dahl did indeed leave the scene

696
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:34,169
and left the explaining to fredchristman

697
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:38,210
so it's all is all pretty pretty fed up

698
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,409
but the biggest thing that Braun and

699
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:42,000
Davidson took from their investigation

700
00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:46,409
was the recovered debris depending on

701
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,840
who you read they had either a trunk of

702
00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:50,880
the material both the black and the

703
00:32:54,909 --> 00:32:53,280
white material or a Kellogg's cornflakes

704
00:32:58,820 --> 00:32:54,919
box full of it

705
00:33:02,840 --> 00:32:58,830
kruseman gave it to them and oral noted

706
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:02,850
that it was different the material that

707
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:04,409
Chrisman gave to them was different from

708
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:08,210
what he had used to turn into an ashtray

709
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:11,730
and at 1:00 a.m. the next day Davidson

710
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:26,269
how did it crash it went down in flames

711
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:32,570
here's another problem with the with

712
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:34,590
some of the details because I've sold

713
00:33:39,019 --> 00:33:36,450
out the books I don't have the book to

714
00:33:42,259 --> 00:33:39,029
refer to but the how of it is explained

715
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:42,269
in there of course it was widely

716
00:33:50,659 --> 00:33:48,630
reported what wasn't reported much is

717
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:50,669
that the counterintelligence team sent

718
00:33:55,129 --> 00:33:52,700
out to do cleanup at the crash site

719
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,139
which was supposedly unsuccessful in

720
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,820
finding any evidence of the Mori Island

721
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,679
debris recommended that all similar

722
00:34:02,539 --> 00:34:00,690
incidents in the future be handled by

723
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:02,549
the foreign technologies desk of the air

724
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:04,529
force which is something that George

725
00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:06,740
father mentioned again this morning and

726
00:34:10,819 --> 00:34:08,669
something well-known to people who've

727
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:10,829
read Phil Corso who claimed that it was

728
00:34:14,809 --> 00:34:13,260
the foreign technologies desk was where

729
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,819
we kind of doled out where they doled

730
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:16,619
out the technological benefits of

731
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:27,560
their work the well yeah though yeah

732
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:31,080
yeah yeah there was a there was a crew

733
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:34,679
chief was a crew chief and a young

734
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,560
hitchhiking sergeant very good yeah but

735
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:40,320
I'll tell you what like I said I've got

736
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,790
this best of steam shovel which would be

737
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:44,399
a big question-and-answer thing too so

738
00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:46,530
instead of trying to fill in all the

739
00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:48,389
details as I go along why don't we just

740
00:34:55,580 --> 00:34:51,990
hold the questions to begin was I saying

741
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:55,590
here oh yeah okay Arnold

742
00:34:59,960 --> 00:34:57,810
so Arnold and Smith after all of this

743
00:35:03,590 --> 00:34:59,970
after Davidson Brown died Arnold and

744
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,600
amyl Smith opted out quite freaked out

745
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,400
that the investigation had led to the

746
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:08,040
deaths of two military personnel after

747
00:35:12,590 --> 00:35:11,340
Davis Sydenham Brown died the pair met

748
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:12,600
with another Air Force intelligence

749
00:35:18,110 --> 00:35:16,530
officer a guy named Colonel sander who

750
00:35:20,330 --> 00:35:18,120
tried to convince him that the UFO

751
00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:20,340
material was nothing but slag from a

752
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:29,580
Tacoma smelter but who nevertheless

753
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:32,910
refused to let either keep even a single

754
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:35,790
piece of the slag so this is very

755
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,470
similar to Roswell where Jesse Marcel

756
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:39,660
son who should have been allowed to keep

757
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:41,700
the debris if it wasn't really a weather

758
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,300
balloon so he got the clampdown going on

759
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,640
Emil's smith retired to Florida where he

760
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,040
still lives as far as I know although

761
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:52,200
I'm still doing my best to kind of track

762
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:52,710
him down

763
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:55,170
Arnold went on to more Fame with his own

764
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:57,450
sighting in fact he became a national

765
00:36:01,100 --> 00:35:59,400
celebrity and gave lectures at UFO

766
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:01,110
conferences across the country for many

767
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:03,390
years although the Maury Island story

768
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:04,920
appears in his book the coming of the

769
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:06,840
saucers it does not comprise really a

770
00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:08,930
big part of the story he told and retold

771
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,100
at the lecture circuit here's a

772
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:14,220
photograph of Arnold from 1962 running

773
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:15,660
as a Republican for the lieutenant

774
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:18,360
governor's office of Idaho obviously

775
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:20,010
shaking hands with with Dwight

776
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:26,690
so the only further public record of

777
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:29,820
Harold Dahl is that he continued to live

778
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:31,050
in Tacoma

779
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,810
once subletting a house to a typewriter

780
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,359
rental office and once operating a gun

781
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:38,460
shop with a federal export license and

782
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,369
he sold antique furniture the log

783
00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:42,960
business never took off after that

784
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:44,900
encounter with the men in black and

785
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:48,720
Harold Dahl died in 1980

786
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,970
even though fredchristman had died five

787
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:52,619
years earlier the course of his life

788
00:37:03,620 --> 00:36:55,350
took on far more dramatic turns than

789
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:03,630
Harold Dahl okay this is one of the

790
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,700
mj-12 documents that the woods the

791
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:07,280
surfer do we know Robert and Ryan would

792
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:10,619
yeah I can't speak about the

793
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:13,530
authenticity or the provenance again of

794
00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:15,510
this document but it is interesting in

795
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:17,480
what it says at the bottom after

796
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:19,800
recapping the Davidson Brown crash it

797
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:21,570
reports that the material given to

798
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:23,609
Davidson and Brown was believed to come

799
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:27,510
from Maury island and may be celestial

800
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:30,660
fragments containing metal from nuclear

801
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,240
reactor from a UFO the fragments were

802
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:35,760
turned over to CIA agent clay Shaw in

803
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:38,790
Chrisman was ordered to the Alaskan ADC

804
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,200
for assignment in in project IV i

805
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:44,880
kruseman then did indeed go to Alaska

806
00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:47,310
after all the events of Maury island and

807
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:49,830
and he was also reactivated for military

808
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:51,240
service like a lot of people in the

809
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:52,530
Korean War is death World War two

810
00:37:57,740 --> 00:37:55,650
veteran and reactivated for Korea so it

811
00:38:04,400 --> 00:37:57,750
does make reference then to this CIA

812
00:38:06,590 --> 00:38:04,410
agent clay Shaw this is clay Shaw played

813
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:06,600
by Tommy Lee Jones actually in the JFK

814
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:11,190
movie he was one of three people that

815
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:12,780
New Orleans District Attorney Jim

816
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:14,670
Garrison attempted to indict as part of

817
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,260
a conspiracy in the assassination of

818
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:19,200
John F Kennedy one of the others Edgar

819
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,850
Eugene Bradley was refused extradition

820
00:38:24,970 --> 00:38:22,619
from the state of California where he

821
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:24,980
lived by then Governor Ronald Reagan

822
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:27,330
although Shaw was exonerated in

823
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:29,609
Garrison's famous trial a poll of the

824
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:31,350
jurors said they believed that Shaw had

825
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:33,630
worked for the CIA or something like it

826
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:36,290
in the late 1970s a former CIA

827
00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:37,810
operative named Victor Marchetti

828
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:41,360
verified that Shaw was indeed on the CIA

829
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:45,440
payroll this is a document from the

830
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:46,760
National Archives that supposedly

831
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,070
demonstrates that Clay Shaw was in the

832
00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:51,200
u.s. at the time of Wernher von Braun's

833
00:39:07,180 --> 00:38:59,450
surrender is is it exculpatory of his

834
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:07,190
involvement or or was Shaw handling

835
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:09,170
things from the US side again the this

836
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:12,170
is a reference to a Verna von Braun as I

837
00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:14,690
said previously Ray Palmer

838
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:17,240
actually was involved with this

839
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:19,970
publication that was part of von Braun's

840
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:22,610
group the l5 Society Sean's historic

841
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,550
Shaw's historic record has had a number

842
00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:26,720
of curious things done to it including

843
00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:28,760
volumes of who's who having been wiped

844
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:31,100
clean of his connection to perman decks

845
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:32,990
and the central Mondale commerciale

846
00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:35,330
which are two international agencies in

847
00:39:39,730 --> 00:39:37,600
something called the Torbett document

848
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:39,740
that these things are mentioned

849
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,690
prominently there again these references

850
00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:43,520
exist in earlier volumes of who's who

851
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:47,030
and are gone after 1963 so take it for

852
00:39:50,350 --> 00:39:48,170
what it's worth in the official

853
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:50,360
documentary record of Clay Shaw you do

854
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:52,310
have a pattern of the record going back

855
00:39:59,020 --> 00:39:56,570
and being changed again as I said Shaw

856
00:40:02,110 --> 00:39:59,030
has mentioned prominently in something

857
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:02,120
called the Torbett document the Tauber

858
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:03,910
document is a famous bit of underground

859
00:40:10,030 --> 00:40:08,330
information that circulated photocopy to

860
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:10,040
photocopy until it was finally collected

861
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:11,930
for the first time in a book that I put

862
00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:15,170
together called NASA Nazis and JFK the

863
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,270
torpid document claims that Shaw played

864
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:19,040
a large part in managing the surrender

865
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:22,340
of Verner von Braun one of the Nazi

866
00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:23,930
rocket scientist who helped build the

867
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:26,840
American space program the Torbett

868
00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:29,060
document fits this information into the

869
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:31,160
background of the JFK assassination in

870
00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:34,040
fact the book includes a photo of JFK

871
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:36,350
conferring with von Braun just days

872
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,880
now Jim Garrison supposedly first became

873
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,420
interested in Chrisman after receiving

874
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,240
this letter anonymously and this was

875
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:51,000
supplied to me by an FBI guy whose

876
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:53,010
specialty is the Robert Kennedy

877
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,090
assassination a guy named Bill Turner it

878
00:41:01,520 --> 00:40:59,280
claims that Chrisman was the first man

879
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:01,530
Clay Shaw called after finding out that

880
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:04,410
garrison was pursuing him it also claims

881
00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:05,970
that Chrisman was responsible for the

882
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:08,340
disappearance of $2,000 intended to pay

883
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:11,010
assassins among the anti-castro Cubans

884
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:14,540
in Florida to assassinate Fidel Castro

885
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:16,890
listed among Chrisman's associates was

886
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:19,650
Sergio Acosta Smith a man garrison did

887
00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:21,570
eventually try to extradite from Texas

888
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:24,600
in connection to his role in something

889
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,740
called the Cuban Democratic

890
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,880
revolutionary front

891
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:29,280
what garrison considered a CIA front

892
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,650
group for the assassination the second

893
00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:34,020
most famous member of the group was

894
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:37,080
David Ferrie the albino pilot friend of

895
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:39,510
Lee Harvey Oswald the most famous member

896
00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:43,050
of the group was Oswald himself who

897
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:45,360
worked its propaganda arm called the

898
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:48,120
fair play for Cuba committee some of

899
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:49,500
this might be familiar to you from the

900
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:53,790
JFK movie but Oswald operated their

901
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,590
propaganda wing from an office in New

902
00:41:59,090 --> 00:41:57,180
Orleans that doubled as a private

903
00:42:06,440 --> 00:41:59,100
investigators office for a man named guy

904
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:06,450
banister but garrison new guy banister

905
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:08,790
in the 1940s you remember Barris the

906
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:10,530
banister now from the earlier part of

907
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:13,050
the lecture he was an FBI special agent

908
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:14,850
in charge who recovered the 30-inch disc

909
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:17,820
near the time of the mauryan case jim

910
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:19,890
garrison says in his autobiography that

911
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,230
he knew Bannister well and often had

912
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,000
lunch with him to talk about what was

913
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:25,920
happening the trade stories you know

914
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:27,870
shoot this [\h__\h] kind of thing surely

915
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,570
Bannister mentioned that certainly he

916
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:32,400
mentioned Bannister must have mentioned

917
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:35,400
a garrison about the 30 inch saucer did

918
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,870
either man have knowledge of Maury

919
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:38,520
island and did they discuss that

920
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:40,410
certainly there was some buzz going

921
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:42,930
around about it in the FBI and parts of

922
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:44,610
it were appearing in the newspapers that

923
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:46,200
garrison seems to know nothing of

924
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:49,770
kruseman in 1968 it's another instance

925
00:42:52,579 --> 00:42:51,810
just as with Ray Palmer that Christmas

926
00:43:01,039 --> 00:42:52,589
presents should have

927
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,049
telegraphed ahead but it wasn't again if

928
00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:02,880
you're too young to remember this this

929
00:43:07,059 --> 00:43:05,009
history you'll have to harken all the

930
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:07,069
way back to Oliver Stone's movie JFK

931
00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:09,900
Chrisman doesn't appear in it but Kevin

932
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:12,150
Costner does a good job of going over

933
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:13,619
the more visible aspects of Garrison's

934
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,839
investigation as Garrison's

935
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:26,339
investigation of Chrisman continued he

936
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:28,890
discovered that kruseman had several

937
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:31,049
undercover lives including being a

938
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:32,369
minister and a number of right-wing

939
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:34,619
churches and militia groups this is the

940
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:36,900
ID for his ministry in the Universal

941
00:43:41,029 --> 00:43:39,209
Life Church a group that I understand

942
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:41,039
still sells divinity degrees and the

943
00:43:45,769 --> 00:43:43,799
classified ads in the backs of various

944
00:43:47,539 --> 00:43:45,779
newspapers the Warren Commission itself

945
00:43:50,269 --> 00:43:47,549
had actually investigated one such group

946
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:50,279
I mentioned it earlier the Minutemen the

947
00:43:53,539 --> 00:43:51,930
Warren Commission never looked into

948
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,549
Chrisman himself but this group the

949
00:43:58,429 --> 00:43:56,099
Minutemen included as its chaplain a man

950
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:58,439
named Reverend Bob lui who still

951
00:44:02,929 --> 00:44:01,079
practices his ministry and publishes a

952
00:44:04,789 --> 00:44:02,939
newspaper the alarming cry out of lanes

953
00:44:06,949 --> 00:44:04,799
Lee Washington the interesting thing

954
00:44:09,259 --> 00:44:06,959
about Laroy is that he claims that his

955
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,269
now deceased brother Barney witnessed

956
00:44:13,459 --> 00:44:10,920
the original Maury Island saucer

957
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:13,469
encounter from a few hundred feet down

958
00:44:19,189 --> 00:44:16,619
along the shore and yet when garrison

959
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:19,199
announced his interest in Christmas he

960
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:21,390
said that it was in connection not to

961
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,729
these right-wing groups but to

962
00:44:29,419 --> 00:44:26,880
Chrisman's undercover work as quote that

963
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:29,429
part of the warfare industry engaged in

964
00:44:34,429 --> 00:44:31,859
the manufacture of what is termed in

965
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:34,439
military language hardware meaning those

966
00:44:38,479 --> 00:44:36,599
weapons sold to the US government that

967
00:44:41,049 --> 00:44:38,489
are uniquely large and expensive in

968
00:44:44,689 --> 00:44:41,059
other words according to garrison

969
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:44,699
Chrisman was an industrial spy and as we

970
00:44:52,459 --> 00:44:50,130
go along presumably also an assassin and

971
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:52,469
so through through garrison and through

972
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:55,170
the many other files that have emerged

973
00:44:58,999 --> 00:44:56,579
to the Freedom of Information Act we

974
00:45:01,459 --> 00:44:59,009
find that fredchristman at the very

975
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:01,469
least had a multi-faceted life one

976
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:03,350
document I was talking to

977
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:06,470
been about this called the easy papers

978
00:45:10,930 --> 00:45:08,750
outlines a lifelong career in covert

979
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:10,940
services for Chrisman starting with the

980
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:12,500
Office of Strategic Services during

981
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:14,870
World War two where he presumably would

982
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:17,210
have met Clay Shaw and ending with his

983
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:20,030
involvement with the local politics of

984
00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:22,670
Tacoma Washington by this account

985
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,620
considered by some to actually have been

986
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:26,720
written by Chrisman himself kruseman is

987
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:29,270
an agent of something called the 4250

988
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:31,810
ECE division of the CIA and that

989
00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:34,700
document makes no reference at all to

990
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:35,750
Maury Island

991
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:38,920
here is his Social Security application

992
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:41,660
wherein kruseman claims only to be

993
00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:45,950
employed by warner brothers so much

994
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:48,320
later in life Griezmann would claim that

995
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:50,330
the old Roy Thinnes show do you remember

996
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:52,910
the invaders yeah he said that that was

997
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:55,910
actually patterned after his life but

998
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,170
this was but this here is an early

999
00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:58,640
indication that cruising may have had

1000
00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:01,310
may have worked as an actor in some

1001
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:03,860
capacity in the entertainment business

1002
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,970
and the CIA references constantly appear

1003
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:10,160
in Chrisman's own personal legend here's

1004
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:15,310
some stationery for something called the

1005
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:17,060
and you can't tell it from the

1006
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:18,410
stationery but you can tell it from the

1007
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:20,180
if you could read this something called

1008
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:23,180
the I wonder the Civic Improvement

1009
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,510
Alliance the CIA kruseman did in fact

1010
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:32,000
run for several local political offices

1011
00:46:36,690 --> 00:46:34,250
in tacoma and served on the board of

1012
00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:36,700
directors of the local library

1013
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:39,080
kruseman also became an early version of

1014
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:42,200
rush limbaugh doing a right-wing talk

1015
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:48,950
show on tacoma's ka ye radio and because

1016
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:50,930
of this he said that leftist tried to

1017
00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:55,100
assassinate him in 1968 these are the

1018
00:46:59,980 --> 00:46:58,310
bullet holes in his car over here over

1019
00:47:02,830 --> 00:46:59,990
here is the arrest record of the night

1020
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:02,840
that he got the bullet holes of course

1021
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:04,580
the person arrested was kruseman himself

1022
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:07,310
for driving recklessly disorderly

1023
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,600
conduct and resisting arrest that night

1024
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:13,280
there are persistence stories that he

1025
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:16,130
hung around also with the guess

1026
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:18,230
am seen in Tacoma and that this might

1027
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:26,980
during the period of the late 1960s

1028
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,970
Griezmann also made a few appearances at

1029
00:47:32,830 --> 00:47:30,800
UFO conferences and correspondent with

1030
00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:32,840
two well-known UFO researchers gary

1031
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:36,590
leslie and lucius Farish hope you know

1032
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:38,630
those names all of that correspondence

1033
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:40,490
can be found in the Mauryan book if you

1034
00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:42,830
can find the more Island book and it is

1035
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:44,120
interesting that Chrisman basically

1036
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:45,710
claims that for all intents and purposes

1037
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:53,910
okay so why are you thinking of all that

1038
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,030
let's take a closer look at what

1039
00:48:01,780 --> 00:47:57,920
Christman's possible involvement in the

1040
00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:01,790
Kennedy assassination looked like this

1041
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:03,350
photograph first appeared in the Torbett

1042
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:09,110
document I guess some of you have seen

1043
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:12,650
it so it is so I've got a reproduced in

1044
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,150
NASA Nazis in JFK by the way I've got

1045
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:16,160
NASA knots there lots of copies of NASA

1046
00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:20,420
Nazis in JFK this is of course a

1047
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:22,760
photograph of three alleged hobos or

1048
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:24,410
tramps or whatever gonna call them bums

1049
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:26,030
that were arrested in the rail yard

1050
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:28,310
behind the grassy knoll in DC Dealey

1051
00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:36,140
Plaza on November 11th 1963 here's a

1052
00:48:46,330 --> 00:48:41,990
more close-up look notice that this

1053
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:51,610
this yeah okay yeah okay ah let's see

1054
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:53,940
notice that despite the fact that these

1055
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,410
three may have been involved in the

1056
00:49:00,740 --> 00:48:57,180
assassination of the president the

1057
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:00,750
police guards both have their guns

1058
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,610
relaxed and pointing down kind of

1059
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:06,240
casually also these tramps are

1060
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:11,220
surprisingly well dressed for tramps Jim

1061
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,230
Garrison actually took this photo onto

1062
00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:15,060
the Johnny Carson show Johnny Carson

1063
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,070
actually devoted one of his programs to

1064
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,560
an interview with Jim Garrison and it

1065
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:21,060
was really the first exposure of this

1066
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,100
photograph to the world at large and

1067
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:26,160
like a lot of Johnny Carson's show his

1068
00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:28,140
archives have disappeared and you can't

1069
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:30,840
get a video of it but we do have an

1070
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:32,790
audio of the entire show and steam

1071
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:47,730
okay these three have been identified as

1072
00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:50,110
various people by various researchers

1073
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,030
one famous accusation is that two of

1074
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:53,920
them are Watergate burglars Frank

1075
00:49:58,110 --> 00:49:56,050
Sturgis and E Howard hunt another

1076
00:49:59,520 --> 00:49:58,120
candidate is Charles Harrelson the

1077
00:50:01,950 --> 00:49:59,530
father of Woody Harrelson

1078
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:01,960
there are even official arrest records

1079
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:04,330
for them one of them actually is

1080
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:05,530
officially named Harold

1081
00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:08,440
Doyle which has a name that sounds very

1082
00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:11,020
much like Harold Dahl especially if you

1083
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:14,860
speak it with a Texas accent and this

1084
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:16,120
one it is this one that bears the

1085
00:50:28,890 --> 00:50:20,680
resemblance to Chrisman standard

1086
00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:28,900
kruseman mugshot here again walking in a

1087
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:30,760
different direction along Elm Street in

1088
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:33,970
Dallas you notice this one you can't

1089
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:34,630
even see it

1090
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:42,490
and that's deliberate this [\h__\h] right

1091
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:44,560
back here is hiding behind this guy

1092
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:46,470
there are three tramps but you can't see

1093
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,090
someone who is actually this is the

1094
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:50,800
Chrisman figure and the person behind

1095
00:51:02,950 --> 00:50:54,100
him is been identified as E Howard hunt

1096
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:07,240
God if you do this okay

1097
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:09,510
if you twitch even a little you're like

1098
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:14,160
three slides in fact according to one of

1099
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:15,359
the most well-known experts of the

1100
00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:16,770
photographic evidence in the JFK

1101
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:18,600
assassination a man named Robert Groden

1102
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:21,420
a blow-up of this suggests that this

1103
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:26,010
[\h__\h] the haunt [\h__\h] has a radio device

1104
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:27,810
and there is there is something here

1105
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:33,630
radio device behind his ear another

1106
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,790
well-respected researcher a man named L

1107
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:37,440
Fletcher Prouty who died not too long

1108
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:44,010
ago argues that this man this guy here

1109
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:45,480
walking in the other direction of the

1110
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:48,410
tramps is Edward Lansdale

1111
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,580
lancedale is a well-known figure in

1112
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:52,380
American history he was a special

1113
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:53,970
assistant to ambassador Henry Cabot

1114
00:52:00,200 --> 00:51:57,450
Lodge and a CIA OSS operative in Vietnam

1115
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:00,210
in the 1950s in fact he has been the

1116
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:03,300
subject of two film biographies 1963 s

1117
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:05,369
The Ugly American where he's played by

1118
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:07,590
Marlon Brando and that's based on a

1119
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,050
novel by William later ER and a very

1120
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:12,000
recent movie with Michael Caine called

1121
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,310
the quiet American based on a novel by

1122
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:17,520
Graham Greene which basically has the

1123
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:20,030
land scale character working as a covert

1124
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:22,980
spy to help bring the u.s. into the

1125
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:25,410
Vietnam War and that OSS connection is

1126
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,820
significant because fredchristman

1127
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:28,800
claimed to have been to have had a

1128
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:34,590
background with the OSS now prowdy

1129
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:35,940
claimed that a blow-up of this

1130
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:39,680
photograph shows the Lansdale figure

1131
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,130
with a radio device behind his ear so

1132
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:45,359
you got him walking that way the other

1133
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:48,350
guy walking that way with a coordinated

1134
00:52:54,830 --> 00:52:52,500
kind of operation going off okay so now

1135
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:54,840
what we're going to do is take a look at

1136
00:53:00,800 --> 00:52:58,020
this a brooder film okay so I have to

1137
00:53:02,359 --> 00:53:00,810
move over to this here we go again the

1138
00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:02,369
most studied film in the history of

1139
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:18,410
oh I've got another piece of technology

1140
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:29,230
you know you can barely get is there a

1141
00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:30,580
remote for this it looks like they're

1142
00:54:07,350 --> 00:53:57,660
I'm not trying to do this without the

1143
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:07,360
remote first of the digital versions and

1144
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:09,250
is shown without the images between the

1145
00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:11,530
sprocket holes the framing is the

1146
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:13,420
standard format I'm gonna have to stop

1147
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:19,230
first thing I'd like to point out is the

1148
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:23,050
shot from the grassy knoll just to you

1149
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:25,540
know cuz you all know this the shots

1150
00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:27,730
coming from here it's hitting Kennedy in

1151
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:31,390
the head and then HC it goes back it's

1152
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:32,980
not from the Book Depository anything

1153
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:39,010
like that okay that was the grassy knoll

1154
00:54:43,650 --> 00:54:41,410
shot no magic is a replay of the

1155
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:43,660
standard format version this time in

1156
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:46,840
slow motion sure there's a pause button

1157
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:52,000
on this can anybody tell me where the

1158
00:55:00,750 --> 00:54:57,780
pause button is what's right yeah ditto

1159
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:00,760
sorry so trying to figure out the

1160
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:03,610
equipment I don't see a ditto sighs can

1161
00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:15,270
it's at the right of the TV that's

1162
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:17,230
nothing TV sorry ok well this gets

1163
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:19,660
replayed a few times no magic ball I

1164
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:21,130
notice that Arlen Specter is actually

1165
00:55:24,270 --> 00:55:22,930
running for something around here you

1166
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:24,280
all know that Arlen Specter is the

1167
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:26,590
author of the Magic Bullet theory yeah

1168
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:37,110
ok so again the grassy knoll shop is the

1169
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:38,800
grassy knoll and behind that as the rail

1170
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:41,140
yard is between the bottles could only

1171
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:43,740
prismatic knives of the original film

1172
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:46,810
this is the first time that those images

1173
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:49,140
can be seen as part of a motion sequence

1174
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:51,670
ok there's more to be seen here so it's

1175
00:56:00,900 --> 00:55:58,260
want to point out somebody after the

1176
00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:00,910
Stemmons freeway sign right here soon as

1177
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,430
the car emerges take a close look two

1178
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,960
people actually but the one that's most

1179
00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:06,880
interesting is the second one this guy

1180
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:09,640
here that guy is known as radio

1181
00:56:13,590 --> 00:56:12,190
controller man to Kennedy assassination

1182
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:13,600
researchers the guy before him is the

1183
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:18,730
umbrella man so the radio controller man

1184
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:20,110
you can see from here and you can see

1185
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:21,850
from other photographs this is my replay

1186
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:23,590
with the image see it again the sprocket

1187
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:25,300
Eddy's holding radios control device in

1188
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:32,110
slow motion I would if I could figure

1189
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:34,330
out the equipment but it plays many

1190
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:36,130
times so we can look it over and over

1191
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:38,260
again and you can see not only does they

1192
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:39,610
have a radio control device he's

1193
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:43,270
coordinating the shot radio controller

1194
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,880
man ok here we go there's the sign

1195
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:51,040
there's the umbrella man and there's

1196
00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:53,770
radio controller man do and shoot from

1197
00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:55,240
the nail techs buildings shoot from the

1198
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:56,500
grassy knoll and shoot from the Book

1199
00:57:13,700 --> 00:56:58,570
Depository all are being coordinated by

1200
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:15,710
I know it will upset a few people but

1201
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:19,980
the driver doesn't do it he this version

1202
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:22,260
transpose the driver actually slows down

1203
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:24,540
the quantity and Governor Connally at

1204
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,270
center frame this version is only in

1205
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:29,520
slow motion is the slow motion and

1206
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:31,710
close-up you can see William Greer is

1207
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:34,980
the driver he you could you can also

1208
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:38,640
swell you tell me there was also a 45

1209
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:40,290
slug picked up on the other side of Elm

1210
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:41,730
Street there photographs of an FBI guy

1211
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,619
pick it up so there's 45 going on here

1212
00:58:06,420 --> 00:57:45,119
somewhere but it's not coming from

1213
00:58:10,589 --> 00:58:08,670
this version that zooms in on the image

1214
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:10,599
as much as possible without causing

1215
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:13,390
deterioration President Kennedy is kept

1216
00:58:40,569 --> 00:58:15,970
at center frame this is only in slow

1217
00:58:44,919 --> 00:58:42,519
now when he comes out from behind the

1218
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:44,929
Stemmons freeway sign he's following the

1219
00:58:47,919 --> 00:58:46,609
the umbrella man and there's some

1220
00:58:49,749 --> 00:58:47,929
theories that he's shot actually in the

1221
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,759
throat with kirari poison by the

1222
00:58:54,219 --> 00:58:51,920
umbrella man himself and he's paralyzed

1223
00:58:55,859 --> 00:58:54,229
in that position set up for the next

1224
00:59:11,799 --> 00:58:55,869
shot

1225
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:11,809
okay these images decades later if you

1226
00:59:24,759 --> 00:59:13,670
could save the questions until I'm done

1227
00:59:27,189 --> 00:59:24,769
a little event it demonstrates that no

1228
00:59:29,289 --> 00:59:27,199
substitute teacher was called in for him

1229
00:59:30,759 --> 00:59:29,299
at Renier high school supporting

1230
00:59:33,489 --> 00:59:30,769
Chrisman's claimed that he was teaching

1231
00:59:35,469 --> 00:59:33,499
that day interesting though that

1232
00:59:40,569 --> 00:59:35,479
although it covers a period from October

1233
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:40,579
1st 1963 to August 7th 1964 it's all

1234
00:59:48,339 --> 00:59:46,640
written in a single handwriting in the

1235
00:59:49,809 --> 00:59:48,349
aftermath of the life of Fred kruseman

1236
00:59:51,429 --> 00:59:49,819
we come to this individual a rather

1237
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:51,439
well-known figure among para political

1238
00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:54,529
researchers this is Michael Rocco no

1239
00:59:58,509 --> 00:59:56,390
Sciuto the son of one of Chrisman's

1240
01:00:00,699 --> 00:59:58,519
business partners in Tacoma someone

1241
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:00,709
named Marshall Rockland oh shoot oh this

1242
01:00:05,319 --> 01:00:02,569
is a photo that appeared in a Tacoma

1243
01:00:08,109 --> 01:00:05,329
paper showing Michael as a boy of 12 a

1244
01:00:10,749 --> 01:00:08,119
wunderkind who at around this time built

1245
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:10,759
his own argon laser that got him a job

1246
01:00:15,069 --> 01:00:13,249
working for a Nobel Prize winner in

1247
01:00:17,709 --> 01:00:15,079
laser physics a scientist named Arthur

1248
01:00:19,419 --> 01:00:17,719
shale Oh remember that chrismad himself

1249
01:00:21,429 --> 01:00:19,429
had given this prescient description of

1250
01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:21,439
a laser in his battle with the darros in

1251
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:23,869
Burma many years before the laser was

1252
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:28,809
mokona Sciuto became much more widely

1253
01:00:33,489 --> 01:00:30,890
known in the 1990s as the main informer

1254
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,499
to a rider named Danny casolaro and this

1255
01:00:37,779 --> 01:00:35,359
involved his advanced technological

1256
01:00:39,429 --> 01:00:37,789
skills Castle Aero was found dead in a

1257
01:00:41,019 --> 01:00:39,439
West Virginia hotel room while

1258
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:41,029
investigating an international power

1259
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:46,160
cabal known as The Octopus rekon of the

1260
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:48,049
modification he made to a super

1261
01:00:53,799 --> 01:00:50,390
surveillance software used by this

1262
01:00:56,769 --> 01:00:53,809
octopus called promise PR om is he did

1263
01:00:59,140 --> 01:00:56,779
as a part of something called the

1264
01:01:01,140 --> 01:00:59,150
Cabazon Wackenhut joint venture on a

1265
01:01:03,459 --> 01:01:01,150
native Reservation in Indio California

1266
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:03,469
at the time a series of grisly murders

1267
01:01:06,699 --> 01:01:05,150
accompanied what Ramona she too was

1268
01:01:08,709 --> 01:01:06,709
doing which also includes the

1269
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:08,719
development of shoulder-fired missiles

1270
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:11,680
and night-vision goggles and ultimately

1271
01:01:16,650 --> 01:01:13,910
Rico no shooter was convicted for

1272
01:01:18,670 --> 01:01:16,660
running a meth Amedda and finiman lab

1273
01:01:20,349 --> 01:01:18,680
something for which he seems to have

1274
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:20,359
received an extraordinarily long

1275
01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:23,930
sentence all of this is the subject of a

1276
01:01:29,049 --> 01:01:27,380
book that I wrote called the octopus for

1277
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:29,059
which I consider the Mauri Island book a

1278
01:01:34,059 --> 01:01:31,729
kind of prequel as I said at the top of

1279
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,069
the lecture a new edition of the octopus

1280
01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:36,319
just came out I have copies of that one

1281
01:01:43,689 --> 01:01:41,420
and this this is this one of my points

1282
01:01:45,249 --> 01:01:43,699
and purposes here in taking this look at

1283
01:01:47,529 --> 01:01:45,259
more Island is to establish that there

1284
01:01:50,049 --> 01:01:47,539
are individuals in situations that

1285
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:50,059
operate in this covert conspiracy world

1286
01:01:54,999 --> 01:01:53,119
over generations in an interview I

1287
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:55,009
conducted with Michael Rico no Sciuto

1288
01:01:59,319 --> 01:01:56,930
exclusively about the Maury island case

1289
01:02:02,140 --> 01:01:59,329
Rico no shooter swore that fredchristman

1290
01:02:04,449 --> 01:02:02,150
wrote sixteen hundred pages of notes and

1291
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:04,459
a biography autobiography that have been

1292
01:02:08,949 --> 01:02:07,609
tucked away in a storage somewhere we're

1293
01:02:10,809 --> 01:02:08,959
gonna shoot is not going to say where

1294
01:02:13,269 --> 01:02:10,819
however unless that information somehow

1295
01:02:14,739 --> 01:02:13,279
gets him out of jail so that's the whole

1296
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:14,749
thing with a chrono parachute oh what he

1297
01:02:18,910 --> 01:02:17,089
says more or less serves this cause to

1298
01:02:21,179 --> 01:02:18,920
try to get himself I do so it may or may

1299
01:02:24,009 --> 01:02:21,189
not exist

1300
01:02:26,439 --> 01:02:24,019
okay so I'll end this review of the

1301
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:26,449
history of Mori Islands by reviewing the

1302
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:27,910
various theories about it

1303
01:02:34,839 --> 01:02:31,640
the first to dismiss is the one I think

1304
01:02:37,689 --> 01:02:34,849
favorite actually by well-known purse

1305
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:37,699
normal writer John keel for Roswell that

1306
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:39,170
the more Island saucers were actually

1307
01:02:42,910 --> 01:02:41,150
the Japanese fuga balloons and as I

1308
01:02:44,109 --> 01:02:42,920
mentioned time refutes this idea since

1309
01:02:46,509 --> 01:02:44,119
the few Google balloons went up in

1310
01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:46,519
forty-five and it is not likely to a

1311
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:48,380
state of law for two years it is

1312
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:49,640
interesting though that the fugle

1313
01:02:54,759 --> 01:02:51,920
explanation was also used by guy

1314
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:54,769
Bannister for the retrieved 30 inch

1315
01:03:00,099 --> 01:02:57,920
saucer that he encountered and again the

1316
01:03:02,439 --> 01:03:00,109
time factor rules that out but it does

1317
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:02,449
tell us that the saucer wasn't what

1318
01:03:07,290 --> 01:03:05,209
Bannister originally said it was that it

1319
01:03:12,190 --> 01:03:07,300
was a hoax perpetuated by teenagers

1320
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:12,200
so Bannister admits to the lie and just

1321
01:03:18,579 --> 01:03:15,130
as it with Roswell presents another lie

1322
01:03:21,309 --> 01:03:18,589
and the biggest explanation amore island

1323
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:21,319
is that the one most accepted by most

1324
01:03:27,130 --> 01:03:23,569
people is that it was a hoax that Harold

1325
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:27,140
Dahl started this one first by started

1326
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:29,089
okay it's Harold all himself who started

1327
01:03:34,660 --> 01:03:31,609
this idea that the other thing was a

1328
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:34,670
hoax by claiming the claiming that it

1329
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:38,089
was a hoax but any review of the history

1330
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,650
as in pointed out shows that he made

1331
01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:41,359
this claim after a long streak of

1332
01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:42,980
problems that developed in his personal

1333
01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:44,900
life after he was told to keep quiet

1334
01:03:49,569 --> 01:03:46,700
about it so that's the whole thing with

1335
01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:49,579
the hoax idea carried on due to the

1336
01:03:52,839 --> 01:03:51,020
absence now of any piece of the

1337
01:03:54,849 --> 01:03:52,849
retrieved material from the flying discs

1338
01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:54,859
and also at the insistence of his wife

1339
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:56,990
you know after wife got sick his son

1340
01:04:00,910 --> 01:03:59,599
disappeared his wife said you know he

1341
01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:00,920
had do something about this and Harold

1342
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:03,950
Dahl began to call it a hoax the the

1343
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:07,849
pieces of the debris that were in the

1344
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:09,910
possession of Dahl and kruseman

1345
01:04:14,260 --> 01:04:12,230
disappeared in the crash of the davidson

1346
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:14,270
and brown plane the pieces that Arnold

1347
01:04:23,170 --> 01:04:16,130
had were turned over to Colonel sander

1348
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:23,180
and the and the last that he and amyl

1349
01:04:28,359 --> 01:04:25,310
Smith saw of them were in the back of

1350
01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:28,369
Sandra's car this is what Arnold reports

1351
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:29,750
in his book the coming of the saucers

1352
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:33,520
and what Smith told the FBI Arnold

1353
01:04:38,620 --> 01:04:35,750
later made the claim that the film he

1354
01:04:42,339 --> 01:04:38,630
took from that period was stolen along

1355
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:42,349
with his camera as I said in 1977 we

1356
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:43,910
have however seen the photographs that

1357
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:45,890
appeared into the coma papers and in the

1358
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:48,410
FBI reports but of course all of that

1359
01:04:54,910 --> 01:04:51,230
could have just been smelters like so

1360
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:54,920
what purpose would a hoax serve Arnold

1361
01:04:58,660 --> 01:04:56,900
had his own sighting story that brought

1362
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,670
him all the publicity he wanted so he

1363
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:01,520
didn't need to perpetuate a hoax Dahl

1364
01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:04,670
quickly went quiet about it and Chrisman

1365
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,190
disappeared also the Air Force never

1366
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:08,960
conducted a thorough investigation of

1367
01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:11,210
the David Brown crash and never Lee and

1368
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:13,190
never officially concluded that that was

1369
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:15,890
a hoax John keel came to believe that

1370
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:18,650
the hoax was perpetrated to cover up

1371
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:20,930
radioactive waste dumping

1372
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:23,440
from the nearby Hanford nuclear plant

1373
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:25,850
kruseman did indeed get a job at the

1374
01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:27,980
Hanford plant after Maury island so this

1375
01:05:34,510 --> 01:05:31,550
theory posits that this was a reward for

1376
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:34,520
muddying up the waters of Dahl and his

1377
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:35,930
crew actually witnessing this

1378
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:37,970
radioactive dumping there is a

1379
01:05:42,490 --> 01:05:39,920
researcher named Ron Alberta though who

1380
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,500
refutes this idea basically by looking

1381
01:05:46,510 --> 01:05:44,240
at a map and the geography of the region

1382
01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:46,520
and it seems pretty clear from that when

1383
01:05:49,660 --> 01:05:48,440
you look at it that any radioactive

1384
01:05:51,730 --> 01:05:49,670
waste dumping would have taken place

1385
01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:51,740
actually farther to the south down the

1386
01:06:09,820 --> 01:05:53,660
Columbia River they're not up north near

1387
01:06:11,290 --> 01:06:09,830
Puget Sound the heck is wrong he'll

1388
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:11,300
murder by the way it was president it

1389
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,890
was probably the most thorough Maury

1390
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:14,720
Island researcher I've ever encountered

1391
01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:16,970
is also someone who's been off the

1392
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,430
Raiders radar screen for a number of

1393
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:22,160
years he argues then for the Unified

1394
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:24,650
saucer Theory concerning the summer of

1395
01:06:29,740 --> 01:06:27,290
1947 that the Maury Island sauces were

1396
01:06:31,830 --> 01:06:29,750
indeed extraterrestrial that Arnold saw

1397
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:31,840
the same group and that the central

1398
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:33,920
malfunctioning craft is the one that

1399
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:37,010
crashed at Roswell that's pure

1400
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:38,330
speculation of course but we have

1401
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:40,070
several other connecting threads to

1402
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:42,050
Roswell fill course over one who

1403
01:06:47,140 --> 01:06:44,110
mentions the foreign Technologies desk

1404
01:06:48,460 --> 01:06:47,150
and course so again was an investigator

1405
01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:48,470
for the Warren Commission so we have a

1406
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:50,470
link there to the Kennedy assassination

1407
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:52,310
recently there was an Air Force sergeant

1408
01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:54,530
named Robert Vinson who came forward

1409
01:06:59,800 --> 01:06:57,230
with his story of hitching a ride on an

1410
01:07:02,040 --> 01:06:59,810
unmarked c-54 that stopped in Dallas on

1411
01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:02,050
November 22nd and then flew to Roswell

1412
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:05,620
so we had another Kennedy like they're

1413
01:07:08,740 --> 01:07:07,250
continuing along the extra-terrestrial

1414
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:08,750
theory it has been a suggested that

1415
01:07:13,330 --> 01:07:10,970
Chrisman did indeed hold on to the crash

1416
01:07:15,970 --> 01:07:13,340
retrieval material and that he used it

1417
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:15,980
to blackmail himself into some of the

1418
01:07:20,110 --> 01:07:17,690
choice assignments in the covert world

1419
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,120
he sabotage Braun and Davidson's plane

1420
01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:21,920
to keep it out of the hands of the Air

1421
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,780
Force intelligence and under his

1422
01:07:28,810 --> 01:07:26,480
exclusive control and the lack of a real

1423
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,820
investigation into that crash tends to

1424
01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:31,520
support this certainly these themes of

1425
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:33,500
being a CIA agent and his background

1426
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,660
the OSS seem to suggest something of

1427
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,480
this sort and of course the Kennedy

1428
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:39,680
assassination would be one of those

1429
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:41,810
choice assignments the woods mj-12

1430
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:44,030
document refers to Clay Shaw ties

1431
01:07:47,860 --> 01:07:45,830
together the nuclear and the UFO

1432
01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:47,870
theories by suggesting that the Mori

1433
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:51,020
Island UFOs contain nuclear reactors at

1434
01:07:56,050 --> 01:07:54,290
Mayakoba Kona Sciuto makes the claim in

1435
01:07:57,790 --> 01:07:56,060
the interview appendix to the Moore

1436
01:07:59,470 --> 01:07:57,800
Island book that Chrisman was actually

1437
01:08:02,170 --> 01:07:59,480
attached to a military and project

1438
01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:02,180
involving radioactive discs designed to

1439
01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:04,180
cloud the film of aerial surveillance

1440
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:07,460
platforms a radar cloud device and this

1441
01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:09,470
of course fits into Jim Garrison's idea

1442
01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:11,750
that Chrisman worked in aerospace

1443
01:08:22,570 --> 01:08:20,839
espionage it is very difficult to

1444
01:08:24,249 --> 01:08:22,580
conceive that every document that I have

1445
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:24,259
presented here and all the research

1446
01:08:29,019 --> 01:08:26,690
compiled in the moyu Island UFO book is

1447
01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:29,029
the product of an elaborate hoax it

1448
01:08:32,260 --> 01:08:30,710
would be a hoax perpetuated by a large

1449
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:32,270
number of people with an extremely

1450
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:35,089
advanced knowledge not only the history

1451
01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:36,650
but at the very specialized history of

1452
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:39,560
UF ology and this separate specialized

1453
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:41,140
history of the Kennedy assassination

1454
01:08:44,829 --> 01:08:43,190
even though this kind of thinking is

1455
01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:44,839
often laid at the feet of conspiracy

1456
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,660
theorists common sense actually rules in

1457
01:08:51,670 --> 01:08:49,759
Para political research and common sense

1458
01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:51,680
dictates that this would be very

1459
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:53,420
difficult for every aspect of the Mori

1460
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:56,210
Island story to have been hoaxed the

1461
01:09:01,690 --> 01:08:58,250
Mauryan book the only one to take up

1462
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:01,700
take a close look at this history was

1463
01:09:05,380 --> 01:09:04,130
published in 1996 and since then it's

1464
01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:05,390
publisher died under very unusual

1465
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:08,120
circumstances and also since that time

1466
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,040
many research tributaries have arisen

1467
01:09:13,780 --> 01:09:12,319
these include locating and doing oral

1468
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:13,790
history interviews with people like amel

1469
01:09:18,190 --> 01:09:16,370
Smith and another of kruseman's partner

1470
01:09:21,249 --> 01:09:18,200
man named Tom Beckham who apparently is

1471
01:09:23,860 --> 01:09:21,259
still alive locating fredchristman 1600

1472
01:09:26,170 --> 01:09:23,870
page memoir and doing further Freedom of

1473
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:26,180
Information Act requests on various

1474
01:09:30,190 --> 01:09:28,490
ancillary people connected to the case

1475
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,200
all of which takes more money and

1476
01:09:35,070 --> 01:09:32,839
resources then can typically be devoted

1477
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:35,080
to it but the case needs is a patron and

1478
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:38,210
new publisher for a new edition and I'm

1479
01:09:42,730 --> 01:09:39,650
certainly willing to listen to anyone

1480
01:09:52,129 --> 01:09:42,740
who wants to carry on the research in

1481
01:09:59,610 --> 01:09:55,560
I'm gonna stop that let's leave it there

1482
01:10:05,959 --> 01:09:59,620
on the day of his death let's get some

1483
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:08,299
just put it back to that picture of the

1484
01:10:39,729 --> 01:10:33,939
yeah the bottom or okay on the day of

1485
01:10:42,759 --> 01:10:39,739
his death John F Kennedy gave one final

1486
01:10:44,969 --> 01:10:42,769
speech and it involved the defense

1487
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:44,979
contract for the tf-x Tactical Fighter

1488
01:10:49,060 --> 01:10:47,209
this is an extremely controversial

1489
01:10:55,419 --> 01:10:49,070
contract that everyone expected to go to

1490
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:55,429
Boeing instead instead how far back

1491
01:10:59,859 --> 01:10:58,489
should I go for that let's go this is an

1492
01:11:02,229 --> 01:10:59,869
extremely controversial contract the

1493
01:11:04,959 --> 01:11:02,239
tf-x Tactical Fighter was expected to go

1494
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:04,969
to Boeing and instead JFK awarded it to

1495
01:11:08,739 --> 01:11:07,130
General Dynamics so you could certainly

1496
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,749
add Boeing to the list of people and

1497
01:11:13,089 --> 01:11:10,400
groups that might have wanted Kennedy

1498
01:11:15,129 --> 01:11:13,099
dead and Garrison of course said that

1499
01:11:16,989 --> 01:11:15,139
kruseman worked for Boeing more

1500
01:11:20,049 --> 01:11:16,999
importantly however the tf-x Tactical

1501
01:11:21,729 --> 01:11:20,059
Fighter eventually became the f-111 and

1502
01:11:25,509 --> 01:11:21,739
was a project that was eventually sold

1503
01:11:26,919 --> 01:11:25,519
to Australia and if you look at some of

1504
01:11:28,509 --> 01:11:26,929
the parent political research into this

1505
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:28,519
you find that many people seem to think

1506
01:11:32,859 --> 01:11:29,900
that this is what opened the funding

1507
01:11:34,750 --> 01:11:32,869
corridor to the US to the Australians in

1508
01:11:36,129 --> 01:11:34,760
their development of Punt the Pine Gap

1509
01:11:38,649 --> 01:11:36,139
listening posts for the echelon

1510
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:38,659
satellites Pine Gap of course is the

1511
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:42,530
Australian area 51 all this is outside

1512
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:45,110
the scope of this talk but we have an

1513
01:11:48,909 --> 01:11:46,369
established biography of Lee Harvey

1514
01:11:50,589 --> 01:11:48,919
Oswald as a spy connected to area 51

1515
01:11:53,169 --> 01:11:50,599
through his connection to the u-2 spy

1516
01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:53,179
plane that was developed there we also

1517
01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:55,340
have a recent LBJ did it book written

1518
01:11:59,649 --> 01:11:57,289
actually by the father of the current

1519
01:12:01,839 --> 01:11:59,659
White House press secretary Barr

1520
01:12:04,449 --> 01:12:01,849
McClellan that connects Johnston's role

1521
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:04,459
in the assassination to ed Clark who was

1522
01:12:09,429 --> 01:12:08,030
the ambassador of Australia so the last

1523
01:12:11,469 --> 01:12:09,439
thing you would want to do with all this

1524
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,479
information whether you believe the

1525
01:12:15,459 --> 01:12:13,760
extra-terrestrial aspect of this or not

1526
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:15,469
whether you believe in conspiracies or

1527
01:12:18,969 --> 01:12:17,209
not he really can't dismiss it as

1528
01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:18,979
anything less than an important and only

1529
01:12:23,259 --> 01:12:20,900
dimly understood episode in American

1530
01:12:25,089 --> 01:12:23,269
history one that continues to illuminate

1531
01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:25,099
what we know and understand about the

1532
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,780
current world situation the

1533
01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:28,880
militarization of space and the role

1534
01:12:32,859 --> 01:12:30,590
that the intelligence world has had in

1535
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:32,869
manipulating ufological reality and

1536
01:12:47,490 --> 01:12:44,890
okay just a second

1537
01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:47,500
so Pat we have two things on the agenda

1538
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:49,940
take questions and answers about this

1539
01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:52,010
lecture and then go on to the the best

1540
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:54,350
of steam shovel press or we may be

1541
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:55,730
running so late now that we can do

1542
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:07,479
okay go to the other okay all right

1543
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:20,960
let's start from the front sure

1544
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:22,850
well again the point I was making is

1545
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:24,770
that the White House press secretary not

1546
01:13:28,570 --> 01:13:26,270
now the guy that replaced there a

1547
01:13:32,860 --> 01:13:28,580
fleischer it's his father who wrote the

1548
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:32,870
latest LBJ did it a book and you can see

1549
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:36,050
in the NASA Nazis and JFK book you can

1550
01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:37,070
see there's a famous fluttering I've

1551
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:39,080
called the link photograph after Johnson

1552
01:13:42,669 --> 01:13:41,210
is sworn in well by the way Johnson was

1553
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,679
sworn in on a catechism they didn't have

1554
01:13:50,020 --> 01:13:44,000
a Bible so that means he never really

1555
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:50,030
was president but a Catholic

1556
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:52,010
instructional book yeah but he looks

1557
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,810
after after it happens he looks over at

1558
01:13:56,830 --> 01:13:55,040
Albert Thomas who was the guy

1559
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:56,840
responsible he was on the Ways and Means

1560
01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:58,130
Committee he was responsible for the

1561
01:14:03,850 --> 01:13:59,260
funding of NASA

1562
01:14:05,169 --> 01:14:03,860
Thomas winks at him but the proof the

1563
01:14:07,959 --> 01:14:05,179
real proof of all of this is a

1564
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:07,969
fingerprint at the Book Depository which

1565
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,010
just a few years ago was established to

1566
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,560
belong to Mac Wallace Mac Wallace was a

1567
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:14,480
guy that is well known that Johnson had

1568
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,840
used to do away with his enemies one

1569
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:19,520
part of somebody dating his sister for

1570
01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:21,130
instance was killed by Mike Wallace

1571
01:14:25,180 --> 01:14:23,540
somebody investigating the Bobby Baker

1572
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:25,190
scandal which was threatening to break

1573
01:14:28,959 --> 01:14:27,290
at the time Johnson was on the ticket

1574
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,969
would have ruined his career the

1575
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:30,080
government officials set out to

1576
01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:31,940
investigate that was murdered by Mac

1577
01:14:35,620 --> 01:14:33,560
Wallace and Mac Wallace's fingerprint

1578
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:35,630
has been found at the Book Depository so

1579
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:36,890
you never get evidence that's that's

1580
01:14:43,060 --> 01:14:38,890
harder than that also Madeleine Braun

1581
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:43,070
Johnson's mistress who recently died she

1582
01:14:46,899 --> 01:14:45,170
claimed that Johnson came home after a

1583
01:14:48,129 --> 01:14:46,909
meeting one night and said after

1584
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:48,139
tomorrow we won't have to worry about

1585
01:15:03,850 --> 01:14:49,070
the damn Kennedy

1586
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,860
Brothers yeah yeah well you hear a lot

1587
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,360
of stories like that but the probably

1588
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:07,040
the biggest proof is the turnaround of

1589
01:15:11,380 --> 01:15:09,170
Kennedy was de-escalating a war in

1590
01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:11,390
Vietnam and the the day after he died

1591
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:13,430
Johnson turned that around and that gave

1592
01:15:16,650 --> 01:15:14,690
us the big Vietnam War which was a

1593
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:16,660
boondoggle to military contractors

1594
01:15:56,460 --> 01:15:54,890
hardware people yeah well they want to

1595
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,470
get rid of people so they can sell more

1596
01:16:00,520 --> 01:15:58,400
military hardware it's the same

1597
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:00,530
situation that we have in the wars in

1598
01:16:04,180 --> 01:16:02,480
the Middle East the people that use we

1599
01:16:06,700 --> 01:16:04,190
over there basically to exploit the oil

1600
01:16:09,070 --> 01:16:06,710
of the people that use the oil the most

1601
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:09,080
is the military the tanks and the

1602
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:11,090
military over there so basically going

1603
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:28,140
yes of course there is I put it up there

1604
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:31,260
the original letter that garrison

1605
01:16:37,380 --> 01:16:34,810
discovered supposedly Chrisman from 1968

1606
01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:37,390
mentions that kruseman was the first

1607
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:39,670
person that Clay Shaw called when he

1608
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:41,050
discovered that garrison was

1609
01:16:47,190 --> 01:16:45,370
investigating him well there's the

1610
01:16:48,090 --> 01:16:47,200
connection to Chrisman who's connected

1611
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:48,100
to Maury island

1612
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:51,130
oh you mean turning over the fragments I

1613
01:17:15,860 --> 01:16:54,400
know there's not separate documentary

1614
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:21,030
yes well I mean well that that one is

1615
01:17:26,970 --> 01:17:23,650
supposedly hunt but I don't write my

1616
01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:26,980
opinion is that the first one looks a

1617
01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:28,180
lot more I mean it's got the hair line

1618
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:29,740
of kruseman haunted you mean the guy

1619
01:17:37,470 --> 01:17:36,400
with the hat but the hairline wouldn't

1620
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:37,480
change but of course the Hat would

1621
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:42,250
obscure the hairline yeah well yeah

1622
01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:54,010
could be yes oh right yeah I love many

1623
01:17:56,940 --> 01:17:55,390
many people believe that that somebody

1624
01:17:58,260 --> 01:17:56,950
came out of the drain I've actually

1625
01:18:00,720 --> 01:17:58,270
stood in that drain it's I think it's

1626
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,730
covered up now the windshield did have a

1627
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:03,120
bullet wound that was not

1628
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:05,290
yeah the Warren Commission couldn't come

1629
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:11,530
to a conclusion about it tig yeah was

1630
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:14,170
hitting the cheek pi yeah James Tague

1631
01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:20,470
so there are two very significant events

1632
01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:23,300
that you've been discussing what is the

1633
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:27,350
UFO Kennedy assassination connection

1634
01:18:32,169 --> 01:18:29,210
because there seems to be a very strong

1635
01:18:34,570 --> 01:18:32,179
connection between UFOs and the John F

1636
01:19:05,410 --> 01:18:34,580
Kennedy assassination I think I just did

1637
01:19:06,610 --> 01:19:05,420
a two-hour lecture about that okay

1638
01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:06,620
you're talking about something called

1639
01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:08,870
the sprig leo document which actually is

1640
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:10,390
a transcript of a conversation

1641
01:19:13,419 --> 01:19:12,290
supposedly is the transcript of a

1642
01:19:16,030 --> 01:19:13,429
conversation between the newspaper

1643
01:19:18,189 --> 01:19:16,040
columnist Dorothy Kilgallen and a friend

1644
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,199
of hers named Howard Feinstein in which

1645
01:19:22,090 --> 01:19:20,239
she is saying that Maryland's been going

1646
01:19:24,669 --> 01:19:22,100
around to all these parties telling

1647
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:24,679
people that Kennedy took her out to a

1648
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:26,750
desert base to see quote the things from

1649
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,260
outer space well it doesn't mention area

1650
01:19:34,419 --> 01:19:32,480
51 they just call it a the desert base

1651
01:19:35,860 --> 01:19:34,429
the desert base actually has been known

1652
01:19:38,830 --> 01:19:35,870
for a long time there's a book there's a

1653
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:38,840
seven days in in May is a movie about a

1654
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:40,310
right-wing takeover the government run

1655
01:19:43,959 --> 01:19:41,690
from a desert base the other day

1656
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:43,969
actually I was watching a movie The

1657
01:19:48,370 --> 01:19:46,130
Three Stooges in orbit

1658
01:19:49,930 --> 01:19:48,380
you know I kid you not they're they've

1659
01:19:52,030 --> 01:19:49,940
they've got it there's a device that

1660
01:19:53,919 --> 01:19:52,040
there's a vehicle a kind of a flying

1661
01:19:55,390 --> 01:19:53,929
saucer that's a tank and a helicopter

1662
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:55,400
and a submarine and they're driving

1663
01:19:59,649 --> 01:19:57,290
through the Nevada desert and they drive

1664
01:20:01,419 --> 01:19:59,659
they actually knock over the famous sign

1665
01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:01,429
that you always see you know restricted

1666
01:20:08,499 --> 01:20:01,940
area

1667
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:11,469
both connection is that significant that

1668
01:20:15,819 --> 01:20:14,209
Jonathan really had knowledge about UFOs

1669
01:20:17,529 --> 01:20:15,829
and extraterrestrial and was

1670
01:20:20,109 --> 01:20:17,539
assassinated because of his knowledge

1671
01:20:23,109 --> 01:20:20,119
and that he wanted this information to

1672
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:23,119
be exposed is that a significant part of

1673
01:20:27,789 --> 01:20:25,249
the Kennedy assassination connection to

1674
01:20:30,789 --> 01:20:27,799
what you're showing here flying saucers

1675
01:20:35,979 --> 01:20:30,799
from other planets well I don't have any

1676
01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:35,989
documentation to that yeah well this

1677
01:20:39,999 --> 01:20:38,089
this story that says Stanton Friedman

1678
01:20:41,829 --> 01:20:40,009
recon sit is that the astronomer Don

1679
01:20:44,799 --> 01:20:41,839
Menzel was the back-channel four mj-12

1680
01:20:46,569 --> 01:20:44,809
to get information to a JFK and there's

1681
01:20:48,699 --> 01:20:46,579
some suggestion in the papers of Don

1682
01:20:50,769 --> 01:20:48,709
mental that this is the case we know

1683
01:20:53,289 --> 01:20:50,779
that mj-12 is an it was an actual group

1684
01:20:55,269 --> 01:20:53,299
and so we don't know how successful that

1685
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:55,279
mental news by 1963 they've been dealing

1686
01:20:59,889 --> 01:20:57,489
with these aliens in 47 you know they

1687
01:21:01,689 --> 01:20:59,899
cut the president out of the loop by

1688
01:21:02,979 --> 01:21:01,699
then the only way the president could

1689
01:21:03,929 --> 01:21:02,989
get any information would be through a

1690
01:21:06,429 --> 01:21:03,939
back-channel

1691
01:21:17,049 --> 01:21:06,439
but you know that's just that's just

1692
01:21:19,269 --> 01:21:17,059
speculation well the biggest thing is

1693
01:21:21,249 --> 01:21:19,279
the funding of Pine Gap and the fact

1694
01:21:26,259 --> 01:21:21,259
that Oswald was a spy connected to area

1695
01:21:28,449 --> 01:21:26,269
51 yes yeah you know to give you the

1696
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:28,459
short of that is that Oswald served in

1697
01:21:32,949 --> 01:21:30,409
Atsugi Japan where the youth lose the

1698
01:21:34,599 --> 01:21:32,959
youth twos flew out of he spent a period

1699
01:21:35,889 --> 01:21:34,609
of time in the Soviet Union the precise

1700
01:21:38,499 --> 01:21:35,899
point of time where they got the

1701
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:38,509
information to shoot down Gary Powers u2

1702
01:21:42,819 --> 01:21:41,329
he had a job before he got the job at

1703
01:21:44,679 --> 01:21:42,829
the Book Depository he worked for a

1704
01:21:48,129 --> 01:21:44,689
photographic firm called jagger child

1705
01:21:49,899 --> 01:21:48,139
Stovall which processed YouTube film so

1706
01:21:52,089 --> 01:21:49,909
throughout his career Lee Harvey Oswald

1707
01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:52,099
was a spy connected to the YouTube

1708
01:22:03,600 --> 01:21:54,289
program and the u2 was developed at area

1709
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:08,440
one possible theory a situation of a

1710
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:12,850
group us today a group of ETS Nordic

1711
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:17,930
that researches nobody knows about but

1712
01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:20,510
that the aliens that have been talked

1713
01:22:26,050 --> 01:22:22,910
about in the past nor the like the

1714
01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:26,060
Nordic people great so forth no but have

1715
01:22:32,110 --> 01:22:29,300
secret about them any type that type of

1716
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:32,120
experience of government in 12 and so

1717
01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:33,920
which is going on for they tell about

1718
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:37,640
them but they kept secret well it's hard

1719
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:39,530
to really know how many secrets are

1720
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:41,060
being kept and if you know if they're

1721
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:42,530
really good about it then I couldn't

1722
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:44,570
tell you but it's certainly possible

1723
01:22:57,670 --> 01:22:46,310
that there's another group of aliens

1724
01:23:02,320 --> 01:22:57,680
that nobody knows about that yeah yeah I

1725
01:23:23,699 --> 01:23:02,330
certainly I certainly concede the

1726
01:23:48,369 --> 01:23:27,219
who would you cut out then who would you

1727
01:23:50,339 --> 01:23:48,379
cut out yeah the thing the thing that's

1728
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:50,349
that says framing your thinking is

1729
01:23:55,329 --> 01:23:53,209
something akin to Oswald acted alone

1730
01:24:00,369 --> 01:23:55,339
the argument I'm making is that these

1731
01:24:03,099 --> 01:24:00,379
are multi-generational bureaucratic

1732
01:24:06,879 --> 01:24:03,109
police agencies that function in the

1733
01:24:08,829 --> 01:24:06,889
real world as conspiracy bureaucracies

1734
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:08,839
you know not necessarily one or two or

1735
01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:10,729
three or a thousand different people but

1736
01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:12,289
various bureaucracies acting to protect

1737
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:32,810
well they also yeah we're also talking

1738
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:36,330
about far more projects that they do I

1739
01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:38,010
mean that's why it becomes historically

1740
01:24:40,459 --> 01:24:39,390
interesting when you see when you start

1741
01:24:41,419 --> 01:24:40,469
seeing the same people but we're just

1742
01:24:43,700 --> 01:24:41,429
talking about the Kennedy assassination

1743
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:43,710
in the more Allen case I'm sure you can

1744
01:24:48,979 --> 01:24:46,800
find different people threaded through

1745
01:24:50,540 --> 01:24:48,989
different other projects that you know

1746
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:50,550
that are subjects of other lectures or

1747
01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:53,250
other study that's what makes the case

1748
01:24:57,620 --> 01:24:54,360
interesting that there are these

1749
01:24:59,810 --> 01:24:57,630
coincidences but you can't dismiss them

1750
01:25:02,180 --> 01:24:59,820
as just a coincidence that that guy

1751
01:25:03,860 --> 01:25:02,190
banister and Jim Garrison were in the

1752
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:03,870
Pacific Northwest and then they were

1753
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:08,010
also yeah so I'm just saying it's it's

1754
01:25:12,919 --> 01:25:11,400
just more common sense to suggest that

1755
01:25:32,419 --> 01:25:12,929
these people were working together than

1756
01:25:35,419 --> 01:25:32,429
not according to theories that the

1757
01:25:38,150 --> 01:25:35,429
reason is obvious invasion with

1758
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:38,160
thousands of people can see UFOs are

1759
01:25:43,260 --> 01:25:38,800
they

1760
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:43,270
some things say that allegedly an

1761
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:45,250
extraterrestrial group approached the

1762
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:47,230
United States secret government to make

1763
01:25:51,450 --> 01:25:49,390
some kind of a treaty do you have any

1764
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:51,460
information that it was really some kind

1765
01:26:02,580 --> 01:25:59,440
of shortly thereafter after the great

1766
01:26:06,170 --> 01:26:02,590
sighting of 52 supposedly Eisenhower met

1767
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:06,180
with a representative of the

1768
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:08,410
extraterrestrials then now there's no

1769
01:26:12,690 --> 01:26:10,570
this is all speculation it's all science

1770
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:12,700
fiction except for the fact that a

1771
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:15,280
psychologist named Wilhelm Reich also

1772
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:20,610
had his encounters with with UFOs and he

1773
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:23,380
claimed that he indeed had a meeting

1774
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:26,050
with Eisenhower as well and there is

1775
01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:29,110
proof in Eisenhower's diary that he he

1776
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,420
left to go see a dentist one day and it

1777
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:32,800
didn't make any sense but that's the

1778
01:26:37,020 --> 01:26:34,450
precise day that he supposedly met with

1779
01:26:39,570 --> 01:26:37,030
Wilhelm Reich and then after that time

1780
01:26:42,210 --> 01:26:39,580
Reich and it's been suggested that this

1781
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,220
is a reflection of Reich's dementia but

1782
01:26:47,790 --> 01:26:44,560
he said that Eisenhower was protecting

1783
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:47,800
him and his work and his cloudbuster

1784
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:51,130
fights against the UFOs and the document

1785
01:26:55,020 --> 01:26:52,900
that I was telling you about that is the

1786
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,030
smoking gun proof of mj-12 the Cutler

1787
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:57,040
twining intersects with a document

1788
01:27:02,220 --> 01:26:58,930
called the Lewis blue Douglas memo in

1789
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:02,230
which they are arranging a meeting to

1790
01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:05,170
study what Wilhelm Reich was doing out

1791
01:27:10,530 --> 01:27:08,380
in the desert so the Cutler twining memo

1792
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:10,540
says that we have to postpone a meeting

1793
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:12,580
so that we can discuss a special studies

1794
01:27:17,670 --> 01:27:15,850
group of mj-12 so that's why I say that

1795
01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:17,680
that's why I declare that's the smoking

1796
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:19,180
gun because those two documents are

1797
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:21,990
found years apart in archives that are

1798
01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:24,550
you totally separate one in Texas and

1799
01:27:30,150 --> 01:27:27,160
one in DC and it's you know so I mean

1800
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:30,160
that's one when I talk about these

1801
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:31,690
things I mean you can speculate anything

1802
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:33,370
you want but because I'm a documentary

1803
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,010
historian I can only give you the things

1804
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:39,840
that that there's some actual documents

1805
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:44,010
right connection oh absolutely Reich's

1806
01:27:47,660 --> 01:27:45,900
last book contact with space describes

1807
01:27:50,689 --> 01:27:47,670
his trip through Roswell New Mexico that

1808
01:27:53,899 --> 01:27:50,699
was like in 1955 which belies the idea

1809
01:28:00,669 --> 01:27:53,909
that people lost all interest in in

1810
01:28:37,399 --> 01:28:03,200
so as Van Tassel yeah he wrote he'd

1811
01:28:39,169 --> 01:28:37,409
created the integra Tron that was the

1812
01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:39,179
end yeah that was the end of the trek

1813
01:28:43,939 --> 01:28:40,380
explained oh that was the end of the

1814
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:43,949
trail of the debris they had kruseman

1815
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:46,800
had given them this debris which you

1816
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,000
know was something different than what

1817
01:28:52,609 --> 01:28:50,400
what Arnold made the ashtray out of but

1818
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:52,619
that then the then they crash happens

1819
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:55,170
and after that they never recovered the

1820
01:29:00,320 --> 01:28:58,290
debris that's the significance and it's

1821
01:29:01,070 --> 01:29:00,330
a possibility that Chrisman sabotage

1822
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:01,080
that plane

1823
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:05,150
and held on to the the stuff himself and

1824
01:29:09,609 --> 01:29:07,320
according to this line of thought he

1825
01:29:11,419 --> 01:29:09,619
used his control he has his act he has

1826
01:29:13,220 --> 01:29:11,429
extraterrestrial material and he can

1827
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:13,230
expose it to the world but instead of

1828
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:15,210
exposing it to the world he secured his

1829
01:29:21,169 --> 01:29:19,800
position as a covert operative that's

1830
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:21,179
that's that line of thought you know

1831
01:29:29,689 --> 01:29:23,670
that's I don't say that's what I believe

1832
01:29:29,699 --> 01:29:39,260
Chrisman died in 75 - all died in 1980

1833
01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:41,970
okay Chrisman died it's interesting

1834
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:45,550
Chrisman died of kidney failure and

1835
01:29:49,379 --> 01:29:48,190
while he was in the hospital he read we

1836
01:29:51,029 --> 01:29:49,389
were talking about this before it must

1837
01:29:52,740 --> 01:29:51,039
have been Betty and Barney Hill but he

1838
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:52,750
read some abduction book and and he

1839
01:29:57,209 --> 01:29:55,210
thought in his last days he thought that

1840
01:29:58,529 --> 01:29:57,219
he was being abducted and when he was in

1841
01:30:03,419 --> 01:29:58,539
the hospital surrounded by medical

1842
01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:03,429
technicians yeah so I wasn't any more

1843
01:30:41,770 --> 01:30:26,590
mysterious than the kidney you know I

1844
01:30:47,140 --> 01:30:43,810
your connections to the secret

1845
01:30:53,710 --> 01:30:47,150
government is that it's a theory but

1846
01:30:55,450 --> 01:30:53,720
it's weak its weak yeah this week it has

1847
01:30:57,220 --> 01:30:55,460
more to do if the things more

1848
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:57,230
complicated than I mean it may be part

1849
01:31:01,480 --> 01:30:58,880
of it but the point that this whole

1850
01:31:02,970 --> 01:31:01,490
story makes is that it had to do with

1851
01:31:06,670 --> 01:31:02,980
the way he was trying to manipulate

1852
01:31:09,070 --> 01:31:06,680
aerospace industry and in the long run

1853
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,080
it had more to do that this tf-x

1854
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:11,120
Tactical Fighter set up the whole

1855
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:12,890
apparatus by which they eventually

1856
01:31:16,990 --> 01:31:14,510
developed Pine Gap again which was the

1857
01:31:18,370 --> 01:31:17,000
Australian area 51 so we are today

1858
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:18,380
living in a kind of a science-fiction

1859
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:20,510
nightmare where we have things like area

1860
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:22,610
51 and Pine Gap in the Echelon satellite

1861
01:31:26,740 --> 01:31:24,530
system so it's not just a matter of

1862
01:31:28,330 --> 01:31:26,750
knocking off a few aliens and and

1863
01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:28,340
because JFK doesn't want to tell people

1864
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:30,860
that we're gonna knock him off - it's a

1865
01:31:41,530 --> 01:31:32,450
question Kennedy had to die as part of

1866
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:41,540
this whole global setup not according to

1867
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:42,860
this line of thought it's more that he

1868
01:31:47,710 --> 01:31:45,290
gave the contract that was supposed to

1869
01:31:49,090 --> 01:31:47,720
go to Boeing to General Dynamics so that

1870
01:31:51,010 --> 01:31:49,100
set into motion I'm not saying

1871
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:51,020
specifically that Boeing was the primary

1872
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:53,210
responsibly primarily responsible for

1873
01:31:56,500 --> 01:31:55,370
the assassination but they were a chief

1874
01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:56,510
element in the military-industrial

1875
01:32:03,010 --> 01:31:59,600
complex which Eisenhower identified

1876
01:32:05,610 --> 01:32:03,020
right before he retired and so that's

1877
01:32:07,930 --> 01:32:05,620
set into motion everything that

1878
01:32:11,230 --> 01:32:07,940
industrial aerospace and the military

1879
01:32:12,580 --> 01:32:11,240
needed to get the war in Vietnam up and

1880
01:32:14,740 --> 01:32:12,590
running so that they could you know

1881
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,750
create military hardware

1882
01:32:22,630 --> 01:32:16,880
and make a huge amount of money for

1883
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:24,860
the problem with that theory is that the

1884
01:32:31,490 --> 01:32:27,210
Mafia couldn't conduct a cover-up over

1885
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:31,500
40 years so the CIA and the intelligence

1886
01:32:36,740 --> 01:32:34,770
community uses mafia people hitmen and

1887
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:36,750
you know that pays them off but the

1888
01:32:40,490 --> 01:32:39,120
bigger picture is that you know the

1889
01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:40,500
Mafia you know may have been a mafia

1890
01:32:43,730 --> 01:32:42,630
triggerman although I don't really think

1891
01:32:46,220 --> 01:32:43,740
that's true I don't think charisma

1892
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:46,230
worked for the Mafia but the whole

1893
01:32:49,340 --> 01:32:48,360
project including the cover-up had to be

1894
01:33:04,700 --> 01:32:49,350
something different because the Mafia

1895
01:33:06,380 --> 01:33:04,710
doesn't do cover-ups this is the Mormon

1896
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:06,390
photograph and you like see the blast

1897
01:33:10,820 --> 01:33:09,330
kind of coming at you yeah well hundred

1898
01:33:12,740 --> 01:33:10,830
what an interesting thing about that is

1899
01:33:15,770 --> 01:33:12,750
that some researchers say that you can

1900
01:33:24,370 --> 01:33:15,780
see a nametag on the guy I just can't

1901
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:26,630
yeah yeah well there were a lot of

1902
01:33:31,010 --> 01:33:29,610
people around Adelia pasta who who said

1903
01:33:32,660 --> 01:33:31,020
that they were Secret Service people

1904
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:32,670
that they were FBI that they were cops

1905
01:33:41,540 --> 01:33:34,650
and all that kind of stuff it's called a

1906
01:33:43,220 --> 01:33:41,550
Mormon photograph well it was it and one

1907
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:43,230
of those men who killed Kennedy specials

1908
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,850
I talked to some guy who like breaks

1909
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:46,560
down crying when he describes that this

1910
01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:50,130
is this this shot came across over his

1911
01:33:56,110 --> 01:33:51,510
shoulder yeah that's supposedly the same

1912
01:34:00,970 --> 01:33:58,420
yeah the Kennedy assassination witness

1913
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:00,980
list yeah the long list of witness is

1914
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:02,770
another great series of coincidences

1915
01:34:25,570 --> 01:34:12,770
yeah all connected by connection to the

1916
01:34:27,130 --> 01:34:25,580
Kennedy assassination yeah well that

1917
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:27,140
would be about money and power to it

1918
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:33,290
wouldn't it so you don't think they have

1919
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:44,890
thanks bad there's steam which show oh

1920
01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:48,290
Press magazine oh right

1921
01:34:55,870 --> 01:34:50,950
ken welcome to the conference Jay thanks

1922
01:35:00,640 --> 01:34:55,880
before yes sir deja vu all over again

1923
01:35:02,410 --> 01:35:00,650
yeah okay well thank you everybody of

1924
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:02,420
the the seats are kind of open in the

1925
01:35:25,879 --> 01:35:23,570
yes okay this uh this is not going to be

1926
01:35:28,220 --> 01:35:25,889
as scripted as the other one this is the

1927
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:28,230
the point purpose of this is the best of

1928
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:30,090
steam shovel press which is big enough

1929
01:35:35,899 --> 01:35:33,170
to cover a lot of different topics so

1930
01:35:37,129 --> 01:35:35,909
I'll just I'm just going to go on if you

1931
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:37,139
have questions I know that some people

1932
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:39,449
are just in the octopus I'll present a

1933
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,570
few things and then just take questions

1934
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,400
and you know we'll go on for as long as

1935
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:46,560
everybody wants to soon it seems to be a

1936
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:49,440
dwindling crowd anyway so the first

1937
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:51,090
thing I want to cover actually is an

1938
01:35:56,419 --> 01:35:54,239
article in progress Tom how do we get it

1939
01:35:59,330 --> 01:35:56,429
up there okay

1940
01:36:01,689 --> 01:35:59,340
this Frank is Frank here good Frank's

1941
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:01,699
gone so I can totally misrepresent this

1942
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:05,130
Frank this this is Frank is a Mason and

1943
01:36:16,030 --> 01:36:06,900
what I've got to what I'm working on

1944
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:25,090
searching for a signal

1945
01:36:34,370 --> 01:36:29,870
well how computers don't work no yes

1946
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:34,380
well yeah yeah well according to the

1947
01:36:38,209 --> 01:36:36,630
Masons there are only three and in fact

1948
01:36:39,310 --> 01:36:38,219
one of when the cops give you the third

1949
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:39,320
degree

1950
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:43,020
suppose that comes from and and also you

1951
01:36:47,660 --> 01:36:45,480
know they use the carpenter's square as

1952
01:36:50,030 --> 01:36:47,670
one of those symbols so when people are

1953
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:50,040
on the square yeah there are straight

1954
01:36:54,620 --> 01:36:51,930
shooters like the Masons would like to

1955
01:36:57,140 --> 01:36:54,630
consider themselves yeah so people are

1956
01:36:59,440 --> 01:36:57,150
familiar with this kind of imagery this

1957
01:37:02,860 --> 01:36:59,450
is the symbol of the Masons

1958
01:37:05,150 --> 01:37:02,870
the hand the famous handshake the G

1959
01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:05,160
means God

1960
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:07,500
although supposedly the Masons are

1961
01:37:12,290 --> 01:37:09,420
deists you know they're not Christian

1962
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:12,300
it's not a Christian group and here's

1963
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:14,580
that an important symbol the VI in the

1964
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:26,399
this is the new nickel I'm surprised at

1965
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:28,449
the order of these things this is uh

1966
01:37:34,350 --> 01:37:32,590
this is uh I'm sorry Lewis and Clark

1967
01:37:36,330 --> 01:37:34,360
have you seen the new Nichols do you

1968
01:37:37,919 --> 01:37:36,340
realize that there are new Nichols now

1969
01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:37,929
right some people didn't even know that

1970
01:37:43,530 --> 01:37:40,540
was the case they they changed the back

1971
01:37:45,899 --> 01:37:43,540
of the nickel yes okay this this is

1972
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:45,909
Lewis and Clark both of whom were Masons

1973
01:37:49,140 --> 01:37:48,370
and here they are doing the Mason

1974
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:49,150
handshake

1975
01:37:58,200 --> 01:37:51,850
in the most recent coin that we have

1976
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:58,210
coin yeah okay this is this is the

1977
01:38:01,709 --> 01:38:00,159
painting of Lewis and Clark there are

1978
01:38:02,879 --> 01:38:01,719
conspiracies involving the death of

1979
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:02,889
Meriwether Lewis

1980
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:05,920
in fact he's supposedly he he committed

1981
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:09,340
suicide but you know the different

1982
01:38:13,770 --> 01:38:11,050
historical sources make it out that he

1983
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:13,780
was actually killed perhaps by agents of

1984
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:23,170
Thomas Jefferson it's it's a complicated

1985
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:26,650
story it all has to do with a Spanish

1986
01:38:34,979 --> 01:38:31,210
spy that that Louis was was trying to

1987
01:38:36,959 --> 01:38:34,989
expose who was a Mason also so it's all

1988
01:38:38,910 --> 01:38:36,969
this internecine warfare between Masons

1989
01:38:40,169 --> 01:38:38,920
and the relevance in modern times would

1990
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:40,179
be coming up in a minute does anybody

1991
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:43,060
know what this is this is connected to

1992
01:38:49,260 --> 01:38:45,840
the octopus this was the Total

1993
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:49,270
Information Awareness office that John

1994
01:38:54,930 --> 01:38:53,440
Poindexter formed as part of the current

1995
01:38:59,610 --> 01:38:54,940
administration the Bush administration

1996
01:39:02,129 --> 01:38:59,620
part of DARPA the defense the defense

1997
01:39:03,330 --> 01:39:02,139
and Advanced Research I don't know what

1998
01:39:06,030 --> 01:39:03,340
the PA stands for but these are the

1999
01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:06,040
people that invented the internet but

2000
01:39:12,959 --> 01:39:08,260
also this John Poindexter was forced to

2001
01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:12,969
resign because he was he created he was

2002
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:15,219
trying to create a way of taking

2003
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:17,050
advantage of the stock market after

2004
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:19,810
terrorists events would happen and when

2005
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:22,210
this was exposed Poindexter was was

2006
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:23,530
forced to resign but again you get the

2007
01:39:27,570 --> 01:39:25,570
symbol and Poindexter was a man that

2008
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:27,580
Castle Arrow studied the guy in the

2009
01:39:30,270 --> 01:39:29,770
octopus so that's why there's a

2010
01:39:32,489 --> 01:39:30,280
connection

2011
01:39:34,739 --> 01:39:32,499
and this hung on the guy's office

2012
01:39:44,850 --> 01:39:34,749
and you cut the eye in the pyramid Total

2013
01:39:57,010 --> 01:39:49,540
okay this is something how do I stop

2014
01:40:05,890 --> 01:39:57,020
that time long gone this is the digital

2015
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:05,900
age my friend okay here this is called

2016
01:40:11,890 --> 01:40:09,530
six-figure jobs dot-com and you'll

2017
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:11,900
notice this is which is just a group of

2018
01:40:15,670 --> 01:40:13,970
very wealthy executives in San Francisco

2019
01:40:17,050 --> 01:40:15,680
this appeared in an ad in San Francisco

2020
01:40:18,850 --> 01:40:17,060
were you supposed to send them your

2021
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:18,860
resume if you want to get a six-figure

2022
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:20,930
job and if your resume matches up with

2023
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:22,370
what they want again

2024
01:40:27,370 --> 01:40:25,130
rich elites what the rich elites want

2025
01:40:30,010 --> 01:40:27,380
from you then they will they will work

2026
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:30,020
for you to find a six-figure job so

2027
01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:39,190
these are these are small I'm sorry

2028
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:40,220
there's like the first time I've done

2029
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,330
these and I got to get them larger

2030
01:40:45,790 --> 01:40:43,040
fidelity investments maybe some of you

2031
01:40:48,430 --> 01:40:45,800
work with this firm you can't see it so

2032
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:48,440
well it's the eye the eye in the pyramid

2033
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:54,730
right well he was rolling it there ya go

2034
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:57,410
excellent excellent and it go back one

2035
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:10,480
well to go back to the previous image

2036
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:14,470
click click I just push down or stolen

2037
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:17,070
there we go I wanted to make this bigger

2038
01:41:29,860 --> 01:41:20,690
so people can see the eye of the pyramid

2039
01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:29,870
and these are just yuppies fidelity

2040
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:34,670
there's William Clark Meriwether Lewis

2041
01:41:41,090 --> 01:41:37,290
again I'm only beginning to work on this

2042
01:41:44,210 --> 01:41:41,100
for an article for the 14 times George

2043
01:41:48,110 --> 01:41:44,220
Washington a Mason you don't see you

2044
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:48,120
down here we have the OMG they're the

2045
01:41:55,610 --> 01:41:52,410
god and we've got the the Builders

2046
01:41:57,230 --> 01:41:55,620
square and the sexton I guess all of

2047
01:41:58,880 --> 01:41:57,240
these things the trial all this stuff

2048
01:42:01,460 --> 01:41:58,890
represents say some kind of symbolic

2049
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:01,470
meaning again if she is emits

2050
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:04,020
non-christian you know our founding

2051
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:09,600
father okay does everybody know about

2052
01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:12,690
this do you know what this is it's a

2053
01:42:16,580 --> 01:42:15,180
twenty dollar bill it's a twenty dollar

2054
01:42:21,220 --> 01:42:16,590
bill and if you fold it the correct way

2055
01:42:21,230 --> 01:42:27,030
this is the Pentagon going up in smoke

2056
01:42:39,340 --> 01:42:38,020
the Pentagon and then 9/11 and I can

2057
01:42:44,830 --> 01:42:39,350
show you how to fold it I mean this is

2058
01:42:46,450 --> 01:42:44,840
great for bars you know and of course

2059
01:42:49,420 --> 01:42:46,460
the dollar bill is full of all the

2060
01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:49,430
Masonic symbolism Novus Ordo seclorum

2061
01:43:01,780 --> 01:42:52,670
and all that business in fact here we

2062
01:43:03,370 --> 01:43:01,790
have it okay so so anyway that's a

2063
01:43:05,140 --> 01:43:03,380
that's a Masonic imagery the reason it's

2064
01:43:08,670 --> 01:43:05,150
interesting to me is that there's

2065
01:43:12,910 --> 01:43:08,680
recently been a resurgence of a strange

2066
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:12,920
Masonic activity the first happened in

2067
01:43:18,010 --> 01:43:14,090
ýstanbul

2068
01:43:22,180 --> 01:43:18,020
Terre bombers killed invaded a Masonic

2069
01:43:23,620 --> 01:43:22,190
Lodge and killed a bunch of people these

2070
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:23,630
were the same people that later took

2071
01:43:28,270 --> 01:43:26,960
credit for the Madrid bombings and then

2072
01:43:30,130 --> 01:43:28,280
shortly and then of course they said

2073
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:30,140
America was next and then shortly after

2074
01:43:38,140 --> 01:43:31,850
that there was a Masonic killing in

2075
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:38,150
America in New York actually in pet pen

2076
01:43:42,729 --> 01:43:40,970
shulk how do you pronounce that catch on

2077
01:43:45,790 --> 01:43:42,739
yeah there was a killing in Patrick that

2078
01:43:48,370 --> 01:43:45,800
had to do with Masonic rituals yeah and

2079
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:48,380
apparently al-qaeda is at war the Masons

2080
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:50,000
are the Crusaders now Cait is at war

2081
01:43:58,180 --> 01:43:54,560
with masonry anyway that's that's just

2082
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:01,729
no it's anti Mason they are the people I

2083
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:06,210
can tell you this specific group the

2084
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:07,170
June doubt coots

2085
01:44:10,729 --> 01:44:08,940
also known as the soldiers of Jerusalem

2086
01:44:13,550 --> 01:44:10,739
are an al-qaeda squad that was

2087
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:13,560
responsible for the attacks in the

2088
01:44:18,770 --> 01:44:17,489
Masonic Lodge and he stumbled all of it

2089
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,780
this is a quote from them all the Masons

2090
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:19,920
would have been killed but there was a

2091
01:44:26,570 --> 01:44:22,110
technical fault so because God wished it

2092
01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:26,580
only three were killed these are the

2093
01:44:31,340 --> 01:44:28,199
same people that take responsibility for

2094
01:44:32,450 --> 01:44:31,350
the Madrid bombings so I mean I don't

2095
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:32,460
know what all that means this is an

2096
01:44:41,780 --> 01:44:40,710
article in progress okay this is what

2097
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:41,790
I'm investigating

2098
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:43,440
thank you even the answer this is like I

2099
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,650
said of a work in progress I'm doing

2100
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:48,480
this is all kind of extemporaneous is

2101
01:44:51,470 --> 01:44:50,369
not a prepared talk it's just I thought

2102
01:45:02,200 --> 01:44:51,480
I'd share with you some of the things

2103
01:45:04,609 --> 01:45:02,210
that the books that I have remaining

2104
01:45:05,930 --> 01:45:04,619
I've got this one the mind control

2105
01:45:08,660 --> 01:45:05,940
Oswald of JFK this gives me an

2106
01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:08,670
opportunity to talk about mind control

2107
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:10,820
technology in the Kennedy assassination

2108
01:45:16,430 --> 01:45:14,250
Oswald spent a period of time in Minsk

2109
01:45:18,649 --> 01:45:16,440
and he went in for a supposed adenoid

2110
01:45:20,899 --> 01:45:18,659
operation and the argument of this book

2111
01:45:23,570 --> 01:45:20,909
a lot of this book is a reprint of a

2112
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:23,580
book that came out in you know shortly

2113
01:45:27,979 --> 01:45:25,320
after the Kennedy assassination but it

2114
01:45:29,570 --> 01:45:27,989
has all my add-on value I you know the

2115
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:29,580
photographs and the introductory

2116
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:33,300
comments are all by me and the book

2117
01:45:38,899 --> 01:45:34,800
originally argued that there was a

2118
01:45:41,330 --> 01:45:38,909
technology called RHIC / Edom and that

2119
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:41,340
means radio hypnotic into cerebral

2120
01:45:46,220 --> 01:45:43,170
control of the brain and the electronic

2121
01:45:49,129 --> 01:45:46,230
des Aleutian of memory and it is based

2122
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:49,139
on technology developed by a guy named

2123
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,130
Jose Delgado

2124
01:45:54,820 --> 01:45:52,560
now Delgado was on the front page of the

2125
01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:54,830
New York Times I think this isn't like

2126
01:46:01,729 --> 01:45:59,190
1965 yeah and he had this bull charged

2127
01:46:02,750 --> 01:46:01,739
him he's Joe of Bulls charging at him he

2128
01:46:05,089 --> 01:46:02,760
pressed something called the steam

2129
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:05,099
receiver and stopped the bull in its

2130
01:46:08,570 --> 01:46:07,170
tracks it was an electronic mind control

2131
01:46:09,580 --> 01:46:08,580
device are not talking about hypnosis or

2132
01:46:13,330 --> 01:46:09,590
drugs we're talking about

2133
01:46:16,060 --> 01:46:13,340
electronic devices and one of the one of

2134
01:46:17,979 --> 01:46:16,070
the operating conspiracy ideas about

2135
01:46:20,350 --> 01:46:17,989
Oswald is that he had the same thing he

2136
01:46:22,810 --> 01:46:20,360
had an implant so the obvious question

2137
01:46:24,370 --> 01:46:22,820
here is now mind-control supposedly

2138
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:24,380
affects people's behavior it makes

2139
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:29,119
people do things but Edic in our Edom

2140
01:46:33,609 --> 01:46:31,489
and RHIC actually is a technology that

2141
01:46:35,919 --> 01:46:33,619
stops people from doing things so this

2142
01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:35,929
fits perfectly into what most people

2143
01:46:40,660 --> 01:46:37,310
accept about the Kennedy assassination

2144
01:46:42,189 --> 01:46:40,670
then Oswald didn't do a thing so if he

2145
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:42,199
was in the Book Depository and he had

2146
01:46:47,709 --> 01:46:43,760
this implant press a button and they

2147
01:46:49,540 --> 01:46:47,719
stopped him so that's the big thrust of

2148
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:49,550
this book also this is the one I don't

2149
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:50,840
know I think we were talking about it

2150
01:47:02,040 --> 01:46:58,400
this this book has a copy of I will show

2151
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:02,050
it if I can find it

2152
01:47:07,050 --> 01:47:05,090
this furry glio document now this is the

2153
01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:07,060
document I was talking about before that

2154
01:47:11,410 --> 01:47:09,409
is a transcript of a conversation

2155
01:47:15,490 --> 01:47:11,420
between Dorothy Kilgallen

2156
01:47:19,660 --> 01:47:15,500
and Howard I try to contact this guy -

2157
01:47:24,970 --> 01:47:19,670
Howard Rothberg Howard Rothberg and in

2158
01:47:26,979 --> 01:47:24,980
which she says that that there are

2159
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:26,989
there's a transcript of a conversations

2160
01:47:30,939 --> 01:47:28,880
pillow talk basically between Marilyn

2161
01:47:32,410 --> 01:47:30,949
Monroe and JFK and that Marilyn is going

2162
01:47:34,419 --> 01:47:32,420
around all these parties in Hollywood

2163
01:47:36,010 --> 01:47:34,429
saying that JFK took her out to the

2164
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:36,020
desert base to show her the things from

2165
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:38,690
outer space and this is dated one day

2166
01:47:43,089 --> 01:47:41,840
before Marilyn Monroe died now that's

2167
01:47:44,140 --> 01:47:43,099
that's going to be kind of important

2168
01:47:46,899 --> 01:47:44,150
because part of what I want to show you

2169
01:47:49,330 --> 01:47:46,909
is get a media reaction to conspiracy

2170
01:47:51,070 --> 01:47:49,340
ideas and I'm going to I'm going to put

2171
01:47:54,270 --> 01:47:51,080
on some television show called

2172
01:47:57,010 --> 01:47:54,280
conspiracy zone in which we do

2173
01:47:59,800 --> 01:47:57,020
discussion of Marilyn Monroe and it's

2174
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:59,810
it's kind of funny but it touches on

2175
01:48:04,540 --> 01:48:01,760
issues you will see that there are three

2176
01:48:06,220 --> 01:48:04,550
theories put forth my argument is that

2177
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:06,230
she was killed by mj-12

2178
01:48:09,070 --> 01:48:07,489
which is probably the wackiest theory

2179
01:48:12,419 --> 01:48:09,080
out there but I was the only person to

2180
01:48:17,979 --> 01:48:15,939
yes now Dorothy Kilgallen officially

2181
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:17,989
died of alcohol and barbiturate

2182
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:20,239
poisoning but I have a tip I wish I

2183
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:21,440
would have brought it of her appearance

2184
01:48:24,879 --> 01:48:23,330
and what's my line that very night and

2185
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:24,889
she wins the game and she's totally

2186
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,530
sober and totally bright and there's no

2187
01:48:30,820 --> 01:48:29,600
suggesting there that this theory and I

2188
01:48:33,939 --> 01:48:30,830
mean anything could happen after that

2189
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:33,949
but the reason for her death was because

2190
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:36,409
she had interviewed Jack Ruby and there

2191
01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:38,090
was a transcript of that and when she

2192
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:40,040
died is this the same thing that you

2193
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:43,250
somebody when she died the transcripts

2194
01:48:49,959 --> 01:48:46,810
of was passed on to Jayne Mansfield and

2195
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:49,969
Jayne Mansfield had this Ruby transcript

2196
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:53,360
until again according to the lore the

2197
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:56,570
CIA actually hired Anton LaVey the head

2198
01:49:01,209 --> 01:48:59,119
of the Church of Satan to put a curse on

2199
01:49:03,370 --> 01:49:01,219
her and then Jayne Mansfield was

2200
01:49:04,689 --> 01:49:03,380
decapitated in an auto accident and

2201
01:49:09,129 --> 01:49:04,699
that's the end of the trail for that

2202
01:49:11,410 --> 01:49:09,139
Ruby transcript and also after Kilgallen

2203
01:49:12,669 --> 01:49:11,420
died and I have this this is also on

2204
01:49:14,939 --> 01:49:12,679
this what's my line tape the very next

2205
01:49:17,020 --> 01:49:14,949
show they discussed the you know they

2206
01:49:19,390 --> 01:49:17,030
you know they discussed Dorothy

2207
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:19,400
Kilgallen passing and they do what they

2208
01:49:22,660 --> 01:49:20,960
thought she would want them to do they

2209
01:49:24,669 --> 01:49:22,670
play the game but then in the course of

2210
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:24,679
the game they talk about the blackout

2211
01:49:28,180 --> 01:49:26,510
the great northeastern blackout happened

2212
01:49:30,879 --> 01:49:28,190
right after Dorothy Kilgallen died and

2213
01:49:33,580 --> 01:49:30,889
there was a big flying saucer wave at

2214
01:49:35,530 --> 01:49:33,590
that point a lot of UFO activity and and

2215
01:49:39,250 --> 01:49:35,540
Kilgallon had been writing actually

2216
01:49:42,189 --> 01:49:39,260
about flying saucers since like 1955 and

2217
01:49:43,330 --> 01:49:42,199
at one point she even discussed Wilhelm

2218
01:49:49,379 --> 01:49:43,340
Reich's cloudbuster

2219
01:49:55,209 --> 01:49:54,040
flying saucers flying saucers I don't

2220
01:50:01,050 --> 01:49:55,219
know they don't really I don't know what

2221
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:01,060
the official explanation is what's that

2222
01:50:14,020 --> 01:50:10,750
well this was Anton LaVey and I was just

2223
01:50:15,310 --> 01:50:14,030
discussing his role in in the Dorothy

2224
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:15,320
Kilgallen thing and there's a lot to be

2225
01:50:20,020 --> 01:50:16,760
said about satanic cults his guy named

2226
01:50:21,879 --> 01:50:20,030
Michael Aquino who who works for the

2227
01:50:24,010 --> 01:50:21,889
Pentagon basically who is the head of

2228
01:50:28,209 --> 01:50:24,020
the temple of set was like an offshoot

2229
01:50:31,390 --> 01:50:28,219
of the Satanic church and he was being

2230
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:31,400
investigated by the matron saints of all

2231
01:50:35,229 --> 01:50:33,440
conspiracy researchers a woman named Abe

2232
01:50:36,850 --> 01:50:35,239
Russell and of course of her